SMOG ISSUES!!! screw the DMV!!
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Burning Brakes
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SMOG ISSUES!!! screw the DMV!!
alright guys.... assuming that my last year for smog checking was last year i went ahead and put some headers on my 78.. but guess what??
"Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely."
ok can anyone tell me exactly what this horse Shiz means?? cuz from what i can understand... im pretty much ***** (you can guess it..)
"Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely."
ok can anyone tell me exactly what this horse Shiz means?? cuz from what i can understand... im pretty much ***** (you can guess it..)
Melting Slicks
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Is your car an original CA car? If not, you might be able to get away with your headers and cats. My buddy has a 77 originally from Hawaii or some other state and he gets away without the AIR tubes. Or you can weld some AIR tubes into your headers.
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Burning Brakes
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From: san jose California
Originally Posted by torqvette
Is your car an original CA car? If not, you might be able to get away with your headers and cats. My buddy has a 77 originally from Hawaii or some other state and he gets away without the AIR tubes. Or you can weld some AIR tubes into your headers.
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think ill do that .... by the way.. CLEAR OUT YOUR PM BOX!!!
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Burning Brakes
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From: NorCal 71 Lt-1
Originally Posted by Shirley1978
alright guys.... assuming that my last year for smog checking was last year i went ahead and put some headers on my 78.. but guess what??
"Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely."
ok can anyone tell me exactly what this horse Shiz means?? cuz from what i can understand... im pretty much ***** (you can guess it..)
"Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely."
ok can anyone tell me exactly what this horse Shiz means?? cuz from what i can understand... im pretty much ***** (you can guess it..)
what this means is that you are subject to biennial inspections. you can't touch any of the original smog equipment on your car. the only thing you can replace is from the cat back (mufflers). if those headers do not have a carb executive order # they are not legal and you will fail the visual on the smog inspection.
Safety Car
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My loophole around that was by registering my '81 as a "Vehicle of Historic value" which basically means no more emissions testing but you're not supposed to drive it for anything but like club events and such. I don't get my plates until July so I have a big red 7 in my rear view mirror. Honestly, cops don't care what kind of plates you have. My '81 could drive by a smog test center and make someone else fail. 
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Originally Posted by Shirley1978
alright guys.... assuming that my last year for smog checking was last year i went ahead and put some headers on my 78.. but guess what??
"Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely."
ok can anyone tell me exactly what this horse Shiz means?? cuz from what i can understand... im pretty much ***** (you can guess it..)
"Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely."
ok can anyone tell me exactly what this horse Shiz means?? cuz from what i can understand... im pretty much ***** (you can guess it..)
You live in Kalifornia, you deal with the 
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by Kalway
My loophole around that was by registering my '81 as a "Vehicle of Historic value" which basically means no more emissions testing...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1382340
Racer
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From: Winnipeg Manitoba
Question concerning the California law.
Would it be legal to install an LS1 or LS2 engine with all the matching emissions trimmings?
Seems like you'd pass a higher standard of emmissions than a stock 1976.
But you wouldn't have the original emissions equipment. Therefore Illegal?
Would it be legal to install an LS1 or LS2 engine with all the matching emissions trimmings?
Seems like you'd pass a higher standard of emmissions than a stock 1976.
But you wouldn't have the original emissions equipment. Therefore Illegal?
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by Kilroy1024
Question concerning the California law.
Would it be legal to install an LS1 or LS2 engine with all the matching emissions trimmings?
Seems like you'd pass a higher standard of emmissions than a stock 1976.
But you wouldn't have the original emissions equipment. Therefore Illegal?
Would it be legal to install an LS1 or LS2 engine with all the matching emissions trimmings?
Seems like you'd pass a higher standard of emmissions than a stock 1976.
But you wouldn't have the original emissions equipment. Therefore Illegal?
And no, this doesn't work in reverse...you can't put a '63 motor in your '78 and be exempt.
Burning Brakes
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From: NorCal 71 Lt-1
Originally Posted by Kilroy1024
Question concerning the California law.
Would it be legal to install an LS1 or LS2 engine with all the matching emissions trimmings?
Seems like you'd pass a higher standard of emmissions than a stock 1976.
But you wouldn't have the original emissions equipment. Therefore Illegal?
Would it be legal to install an LS1 or LS2 engine with all the matching emissions trimmings?
Seems like you'd pass a higher standard of emmissions than a stock 1976.
But you wouldn't have the original emissions equipment. Therefore Illegal?
Burning Brakes
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From: NorCal 71 Lt-1
Originally Posted by TonySinclair
Yes, an engine transplant is legal. The catch is, the year of the engine determines the smog specifications. '93 engine? '93 smog rules apply...right down to the engine warning light on the dash, fuel cap, etc.
And no, this doesn't work in reverse...you can't put a '63 motor in your '78 and be exempt.
And no, this doesn't work in reverse...you can't put a '63 motor in your '78 and be exempt.
Racer
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From: Winnipeg Manitoba
Question 2:
If you put in an LS1 or LS2, could you modify the exhaust with headers?
Or would it have be an LS1 or LS2 manifold?
Do you have to pass the test, or does it also have to be as close to original as possible?
Thanks
EDIT: Actually I re-read some of the earlier posts - looks like headers are legal, but its gotta pass.
If you put in an LS1 or LS2, could you modify the exhaust with headers?
Or would it have be an LS1 or LS2 manifold?
Do you have to pass the test, or does it also have to be as close to original as possible?
Thanks
EDIT: Actually I re-read some of the earlier posts - looks like headers are legal, but its gotta pass.
Last edited by Kilroy1024; May 8, 2006 at 12:30 AM.
Safety Car
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[QUOTE=wnjlt1]to answer your question, it is legal to install an LS1 or LS2 engine with all the matching emissions trimmings into a 76. after the install, you will need to take it to a referee station to have it inspected. if everything is installed correctly, they will issue you a BAR label with a serial number which is used when performing future smog inspections. once you obtain this label, you are rolling legally in california.
Went through the above-mentioned hoops when I installed a TPI on my 84 GMC pick-up. They now check the barcode every time I have it smogged. Funny thing is, the bar reads for a 305(motor I pulled out), when I actually have a 383, toned down with stock heads, mild RV-type cam, and iron manifolds. Even funnier yet is the fact it has not failed smog once since the install........
Went through the above-mentioned hoops when I installed a TPI on my 84 GMC pick-up. They now check the barcode every time I have it smogged. Funny thing is, the bar reads for a 305(motor I pulled out), when I actually have a 383, toned down with stock heads, mild RV-type cam, and iron manifolds. Even funnier yet is the fact it has not failed smog once since the install........
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by TonySinclair
Sorry...you will still be required to have your car smogged, historic plates or not:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1382340
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1382340
Burning Brakes
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From: NorCal 71 Lt-1
Originally Posted by Kilroy1024
Question 2:
If you put in an LS1 or LS2, could you modify the exhaust with headers?
Or would it have be an LS1 or LS2 manifold?
Do you have to pass the test, or does it also have to be as close to original as possible?
Thanks
EDIT: Actually I re-read some of the earlier posts - looks like headers are legal, but its gotta pass.
If you put in an LS1 or LS2, could you modify the exhaust with headers?
Or would it have be an LS1 or LS2 manifold?
Do you have to pass the test, or does it also have to be as close to original as possible?
Thanks
EDIT: Actually I re-read some of the earlier posts - looks like headers are legal, but its gotta pass.
headers need a carb (california air resource board) executive order number label on the header to be legal.
to obtain a BAR label, the ref station will do a visual and an actual smog check. i would definatley be exact to stock as possilbe when you go to obtain the label
Safety Car
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From: Central Michigan
When I took my truck to the ref, it passed the emissions easily, but failed the visual because I technically had truck headers(edelbrocks, made for the vehicle, a.i.r. tubes, two into one going into the cat, etc.) on a "car" motor(tpi), so I had to put the stock manifolds back on for a retest.
Team Owner
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From:
http://smogcheck.ca.gov/StdPage.asp?...ck/doineed.htm
Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely.
Beginning April 1, 2005, vehicles being initially registered in California that were previously registered in another state are exempt if the vehicle is a 1975 and older model-year vehicle. Newer vehicles, the first 6 model years, are not exempted upon initial registration in California. These vehicles are required to undergo a Smog Check Inspection.
What they fail to mention is that the Biennial inspection will become a "tailpipe only" emissions when the vehicle becomes 35 years old. The new law states the visual inspection is not required on a 35-year rolling exemption, and the emissions test becomes a performance test only. If the vehicle emissions are less than that required for the model year it will pass (this was the major concession demanded by SEMA and other major hobbiest lobby efforts, a tail pipe only performance criteria).
The difficult change is they moved the rolling exemption from the old 30-year "exempt" (no test) criteria to the new 35-year "tail pipe only performance test". This means five more years of wait for 1976 & newer vehicles.
From the bill AB2683
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/03-04/bil...chaptered.html
The bill would also provide that, commencing April 1, 2005,
defined collector motor vehicles for which proof of insurance is
submitted on that basis in accordance with regulations of the Bureau
of Automotive Repair, and that are at least 35 model-years old, shall
be subject to otherwise applicable exhaust emissions standards, but
shall not be required to pass a visual and functional inspection of
emission equipment, other than a functional inspection of the fuel
cap and a visual inspection for liquid fuel leaks.
You now have to wait 35 years (until 2012 for a 1978) to be exempt from the visual inspection requirement, and you will never be exempt from the emissions thresholds for the vehicle model year or the testing.
Support for SEMA and other automotive friendly lobby organizations are the enthusiasts only avenue to get the law changed back to the true "exempt" criteria.
Clear as mud?
http://smogcheck.ca.gov/StdPage.asp?...ck/doineed.htm
Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely.
Beginning April 1, 2005, vehicles being initially registered in California that were previously registered in another state are exempt if the vehicle is a 1975 and older model-year vehicle. Newer vehicles, the first 6 model years, are not exempted upon initial registration in California. These vehicles are required to undergo a Smog Check Inspection.
What they fail to mention is that the Biennial inspection will become a "tailpipe only" emissions when the vehicle becomes 35 years old. The new law states the visual inspection is not required on a 35-year rolling exemption, and the emissions test becomes a performance test only. If the vehicle emissions are less than that required for the model year it will pass (this was the major concession demanded by SEMA and other major hobbiest lobby efforts, a tail pipe only performance criteria).
The difficult change is they moved the rolling exemption from the old 30-year "exempt" (no test) criteria to the new 35-year "tail pipe only performance test". This means five more years of wait for 1976 & newer vehicles.
From the bill AB2683
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/03-04/bil...chaptered.html
The bill would also provide that, commencing April 1, 2005,
defined collector motor vehicles for which proof of insurance is
submitted on that basis in accordance with regulations of the Bureau
of Automotive Repair, and that are at least 35 model-years old, shall
be subject to otherwise applicable exhaust emissions standards, but
shall not be required to pass a visual and functional inspection of
emission equipment, other than a functional inspection of the fuel
cap and a visual inspection for liquid fuel leaks.
You now have to wait 35 years (until 2012 for a 1978) to be exempt from the visual inspection requirement, and you will never be exempt from the emissions thresholds for the vehicle model year or the testing.
Support for SEMA and other automotive friendly lobby organizations are the enthusiasts only avenue to get the law changed back to the true "exempt" criteria.
Clear as mud?
Safety Car
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From: San Diego CA
Originally Posted by TonySinclair
Sorry...you will still be required to have your car smogged, historic plates or not:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1382340
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1382340