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From: Springfield MO
St. Jude Donor '07
Originally Posted by Kalway
Initial cost and actual gains are what basically drive people away from it. Carbs are simple, cheap, and weigh a bit less than all of the crap it takes to make fuel injection work.
You can't program a custom timing curve with an HEI with a laptop...
You can't program a custom timing curve with an HEI with a laptop...
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From: San Diego CA
Originally Posted by I'm Batman
I think fear of the unknown is the big issue. People don't want to learn how to burn a custom chip. Sticking with an inefficient, dino-tech carb is safe and cozy.
When I've got the money, I'll probably do fuel injection on the big mouse motor I wanna drop in my vette. I owned an LT1 Camaro for awhile and wasn't afraid to tinker with that so computers don't frighten me, but I still don't trust them too much.
Computers aren't 100% accurate and reliable, mechanically driven/operated things always behave the same way. It's generally easier to troubleshoot a carbureted engine than a fuel injected one.
Also, fuel injection is neat and all but my q-jet runs perfectly.
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St. Jude Donor '09
Originally Posted by Kalway
Then they're stuck with an ugly car that's slow and gets good gas mileage!
They want to have their cake and eat it too.
They want to have their cake and eat it too.
I guess their idea of using an old C3 as a DD wasn't such a good one after all.
You gotta pay the piper. If fuel economy is your concern, an old C3 isn't for you.
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there are things that can't change, for example to have a V8 in a vette, and a big carb on top of it.
On my sincere and humile opinion the other features you'd have to have are:
the car must be loud
the car must be rationally unsafe
the car can't have life protections, if you challenge your life you should pay if you make mistakes, so no BS like abs/cushions/beep beeps informing you'r not using seat bealts, etc etc.
the car must run in a polution uncontrolled enviroment, which means it must always be followed by insane fumes of incombusted leaded racing gas.
...and please NO any cup holders!!!!!!
On my sincere and humile opinion the other features you'd have to have are:
the car must be loud
the car must be rationally unsafe
the car can't have life protections, if you challenge your life you should pay if you make mistakes, so no BS like abs/cushions/beep beeps informing you'r not using seat bealts, etc etc.
the car must run in a polution uncontrolled enviroment, which means it must always be followed by insane fumes of incombusted leaded racing gas.
...and please NO any cup holders!!!!!!
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From: San Diego CA
Originally Posted by panic
there are things that can't change, for example to have a V8 in a vette, and a big carb on top of it.
On my sincere and humile opinion the other features you'd have to have are:
the car must be loud
the car must be rationally unsafe
the car can't have life protections, if you challenge your life you should pay if you make mistakes, so no BS like abs/cushions/beep beeps informing you'r not using seat bealts, etc etc.
the car must run in a polution uncontrolled enviroment, which means it must always be followed by insane fumes of incombusted leaded racing gas.
...and please NO any cup holders!!!!!!
On my sincere and humile opinion the other features you'd have to have are:
the car must be loud
the car must be rationally unsafe
the car can't have life protections, if you challenge your life you should pay if you make mistakes, so no BS like abs/cushions/beep beeps informing you'r not using seat bealts, etc etc.
the car must run in a polution uncontrolled enviroment, which means it must always be followed by insane fumes of incombusted leaded racing gas.
...and please NO any cup holders!!!!!!
Overall you can make a c3 get decent gas mileage, just requires a lot of work.
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Originally Posted by norvalwilhelm
The 3800's or 3.8 I believe is the bases for the turbo Buick. While it is front wheel drive I believe the back of the block would accept a normal chevy bellhousing and the 3800 is a very good engine. My wife has the supercharged bonneville version and that thing really goes, no problem smoking both large 17 inch front tires and still pulls down 30 mpg.
No I think a modern V6 would make a nice swap.
The 4.3 is the low tec truck engine.
No I think a modern V6 would make a nice swap.
The 4.3 is the low tec truck engine.
I've seen this done to an old Nova.It should get good gas mileage if you keep out of the boost right? And if I remember correctly the Turbo is at the front of the block, so fitment shouldn't be a problem.
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From: IL/IA
Originally Posted by torqvette
Hmmm... why not drop in a Turbo V6 from a Grand National? Along with the 4 speed OD auto. I've seen this done to an old Nova.
It should get good gas mileage if you keep out of the boost right?
I've seen this done to an old Nova.It should get good gas mileage if you keep out of the boost right?
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From: Press "2" for English
not exactly blasphemy, zora did it back in the late 70's. of course, there was a turbo hooked to it.
if the current engine has too much power, why not just slap a dinky 2 barrel on it. can't see you swapping ANYTHING in there for less than the cost of a 2 barrel and freshening the existing engine.
if the current engine has too much power, why not just slap a dinky 2 barrel on it. can't see you swapping ANYTHING in there for less than the cost of a 2 barrel and freshening the existing engine.
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Originally Posted by Beater
Then you destroy a perfectly good GN.
I'm not suggesting taking a Turbo V6 and trans out of a perfectly good GN. You get it from a junk yard or off of E-Bay from a totaled GN that's being parted out. Do you think that the guys in here doing LS1 swaps are buying perfectly good Camaros just to tear them apart?
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Change the cam, and rearends, get an OD tranny and have a good time.
TKO-500 kit from keisler, a 3.08 rear end, and a good hydraulic roller highway cam. something in the 1000-45000 range.
TKO-500 kit from keisler, a 3.08 rear end, and a good hydraulic roller highway cam. something in the 1000-45000 range.
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From: Everett WA
Originally Posted by Jughead
Sell the Vette...buy a Prius.
Panoz had a really sweet prototype hybrid they raced for a couple of years. That car came out of corners like a rocket. The technology wasn't quote mature enough though and they had reliability issues.
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From: I may be getting old but I refuse to grow up
Originally Posted by fast idle
my buddy has a 4.something s-10 pickup and he doesn't get near 20 m.p.g.my old 79 chev van w/a carbed 305 was gettin better mileage.
wife drove a Blazer with a 4.3 (18 mpg)and couldn't get the milage I got with my 5.3 ext cab Silverado (21 mpg)Stp
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From: Gander Newfoundland
Originally Posted by gte718p
So I know this will be taken as a blasphamous thought. Please forgive me.
Has anyone thought about putting a modern V6 into a C3. I'm rebuilding a friends vette for her. It has more power then she needs stock. Its used as a daily driver and a cruiser not a race car. I'm mainly looking to improve the fuel economy. 15 mpg is killing us over her in Hawaii when gas gets up to 3.75 a gallon. I was thinking a fuel injected v6 would save some weight on the front end, still have enough HP to get over the mountains, and get better fuel economy.
So other then I'm crazy, anyone have any thoughts. We do you begin looking for an engine like that.
Jarrett
Has anyone thought about putting a modern V6 into a C3. I'm rebuilding a friends vette for her. It has more power then she needs stock. Its used as a daily driver and a cruiser not a race car. I'm mainly looking to improve the fuel economy. 15 mpg is killing us over her in Hawaii when gas gets up to 3.75 a gallon. I was thinking a fuel injected v6 would save some weight on the front end, still have enough HP to get over the mountains, and get better fuel economy.
So other then I'm crazy, anyone have any thoughts. We do you begin looking for an engine like that.
Jarrett
Sell the vette and buy her a convertible PT cruiser or a miata or a volkswagon!!!
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From: Sorrento Italy
Originally Posted by Bangkok Dean
Some how this comes to mind
been in thailand so often, this came to my mind too....
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St. Jude Donor '09
Originally Posted by JoeRags
I dont see why you couldnt find an old S-10, 4.3L
I would imagine I'd fit right in.. and now that I'm on this thought, I bet there would be plenty of room in front of the motor for a good sized turbo...
I would imagine I'd fit right in.. and now that I'm on this thought, I bet there would be plenty of room in front of the motor for a good sized turbo...
seeing it's a SBC with 5&6 cylinders lopped out, most of the same performance tricks apply and you can get pretty good HP out of it!