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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 11:47 AM
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This is my Isky red zone lifter beside a comp roller. This picture shows the difference in the center axle. The isky is much beefier in this axle



This shows the two wheels. Again the Isky seems wider then the comp. Holding the two parts in your hand gives you the impression that the roller assembly on the isky is beefier.
The Red zone also has a number of EDM holes to spray pressurized oil on the cam/roller interface and on the axle of the roller


You will notice the isky roller tappet is shorter, the oil bypass is also smaller. They both use the stand length push rod.
This oil bypass is important. Through each of the lifter bores is a oil gallery that feeds pressure oil to the next lifter. If the 1st lifter in the line blocks off this oil gallery it cuts oil flow to the one behind it etc etc. The last lifter in line would get no oil.
This is not the case. When the lifter travels throughout it’s entire travel it still leaves at least ¾ of the oil gallery unblocked so oil can still flow.
The two lifters use similar link bars to join the lifters and prevent rotation
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by norvalwilhelm
This shows the two wheels. Again the Isky seems wider then the comp.
The wheels on those lifters are free floating, right? If that's the case, the Isky would be subjected to less transverse movement, because (unless it's just the angle of the shot) the Isky roller looks like it has much tighter tolerances between the wheel and the lifter body. Just seems like it would work so much smoother...

What's the cost of the comp lifter compared to the Iskenderian?
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by iNdigo
What's the cost of the comp lifter compared to the Iskenderian?

In Canada the comp lifters are $400 and the isky red zones with my discount are $690 plus tax.
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 01:52 PM
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I'm going to go to summit racing and look at the isky Norval. It really looks like you would need a .200 longer push rod because of how short they are! They are actually about $50 more than my Crane Ultra pros that i am now using. I swapped them out of my 427 and into my 383. the 427 is done and waiting for lifters and manifold to button it up.

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the only thing comp cams in the picture is the Poly dist. gear


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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 02:28 PM
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at first glance it looks like the red zone axle is bigger but it
looks like the inner circle is the same size.
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Originally Posted by Little Mouse
at first glance it looks like the red zone axle is bigger but it
looks like the inner circle is the same size.
The wheel diameter is limited by the lifter bore size. That is why racing engines have bigger lifter bores.
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 05:57 PM
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I wonder how much more the .903 chrysler size roller lifters
would help out for durability over time.

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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Little Mouse
at first glance it looks like the red zone axle is bigger but it
looks like the inner circle is the same size.
The red zone has a 3/8th axle and the comp a 5/16th axle. The red zone roller is .450 wide while the comp is .400. Both use .750 OD rollers.
The big thing with the Isky is the oiling. It has 3 EDM oiling passages to dump oil on the roller and the axle. It is suppose to keep the interface between the roller and cam lobe lubed.
They both use standard push rod lengths.
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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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Default How much do they weight?

Just curious, did u get to weigh them for comparision? And how do they compare in weight to a regular solid flat tappet? As u probly know heavier rotating weight means higher spring pressures and faster cam lobe wear. This inturn kind'a begs the question of whats the trade-off to run a solid roller and does cam duration justify using them?

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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cardo0
Just curious, did u get to weigh them for comparision? And how do they compare in weight to a regular solid flat tappet? As u probly know heavier rotating weight means higher spring pressures and faster cam lobe wear. This inturn kind'a begs the question of whats the trade-off to run a solid roller and does cam duration justify using them?

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No I haven't weighed them. I am not a high rpm person. I actually have grown to hate reving a motor to over 7000.
I don't need it. With a blower and large cubes the motor doesn't need rpm to put out power.
I would run lower installed springs if I could find them but running a single spring is not an option and dual springs in the size my heads need are just not available.
As for solid flat tappet I really like that better but you can't get the rapid valve openning and closing you can get with a roller cam and I want this quick opening and closing
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Originally Posted by norvalwilhelm
It has 3 EDM oiling passages to dump oil on the roller and the axle.
What is an EDM oil passage?
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Originally Posted by shafrs3
What is an EDM oil passage?
Bigblock is right. It is like that Packman game. You can take a thin piece of wire, install it in the holder on the machine and then let this thin wire eat it's way through anything. Hardness does not matter.
I pushed a little .015 piece of pencil lead through a piece of stainless steel. A EDM sends out a little electrical spark that eats away at whatever it touches. Opposite to welding.
This allows the company to make very tiny accurate holes through the lifter body to direct oil flow.
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