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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 03:52 PM
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My Mr. Goodwrench buddy just called and said he heard of a 400 cid bare block for sale. How much of a PITA should I expect in replacing my 350 in my 79?
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 04:08 PM
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The 400 will bolt in, but you're not gaining much. It's externally balanced. My advice would be to keep your 350 and rebuild it.
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The 400 will bolt in, but you're not gaining much. It's externally balanced. My advice would be to keep your 350 and rebuild it.
Thanks Mike. About 3 yrs ago, I pulled & store my original, numbers matching engine and built a fairly decent 355. So you're thinking that a mildly built 400 wouldn't be that much of an improvement? IE, I was originally thinking that the 400 block wouldn't be too much of a head ache to get 400+HP which would be about 50+ more than I've currently got.
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Internally balanced 400 cranks are easy to find, and the block is essentially the same. you're gaining 50 cubes, that's a lot more than "not much." Lots of threads on 400s here, just have to run a search.
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 07:47 PM
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See a video of my externally balanced 400 pulling 550HP @ 6500 RPM in my sig
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 01:24 AM
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A properly built 400 will get you 75+ ft-lbs more torque across the board than a 350, maybe more. HP is just torque x rpm / 5252.

If you don't want it, I know people in OH that can grab it for me.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 01:38 AM
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"See a video of my externally balanced 400 pulling 550HP @ 6500 RPM in my sig "


heck yeah!....there's nothing wrong with ext balanced motors......get the 400 and enjoy it man!

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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 12:29 PM
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A properly balanced externally balanced motor will be just a smooth as a internally balanced motor

That said Scat makes an affordable 3.75 in. internally balanced crank in the 9000 series that work in that 400ci
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Hey Wayne, I thought you were using the Scat 9000 internally balanced crank. I have that crank in my 400 and its sssmooth at 7300rpm.

I would say build the 400, you'll enjoy the power, but you'll need heads that can support the extra 50ci.

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No mines the externally balanced version, are you sure yours is internally balanced, I didn't think those cranks came out till after I built mine and long after you put yours in ? I would have used the internally balanced but at the time I didn't think one was available
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Originally Posted by marshrat99
Thanks Mike. About 3 yrs ago, I pulled & store my original, numbers matching engine and built a fairly decent 355. So you're thinking that a mildly built 400 wouldn't be that much of an improvement? IE, I was originally thinking that the 400 block wouldn't be too much of a head ache to get 400+HP which would be about 50+ more than I've currently got.

Well the 400" block will need heads that have coolant passages opened up to match the block - just use head gasket for template. It also helps to restrict the coolant passages in the block's deck - but not manditory. U will need to nail the balancing by selecting the correct crank, flywheel/flexplate, and dampner all to match for either the external balance or internal blance u choose.

So if u gonn'a build a sb then the 400" block will give 50 more inches for close to the same cost. And the larger displacement will handle a larger cam better also. Or u can run a smaller/tammer cam too while still make as good power as larger cammed 350" block.

IMHO the only reason to use a smaller displacement block is cost of finding a rebuildible 400". A good deal on a 400" block may be that it's a bad block - cracked, needs expensive sleeving, excessive core shift.

Good luck.
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Thanks for the info. So for a $150 bucks for a .030 over block, yes or no?
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Originally Posted by marshrat99
Thanks for the info. So for a $150 bucks for a .030 over block, yes or no?

If its a good block thats a great deal. If its a bad block your out only $150 and no labor - that beats pulling a eng at the pick your own boneyard for $200 and having to return it if bad.

Be aware most 400" only bore to .030" but some will go .040" or even 060" (but rare).

For $150 and if your ready to build - yes.
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.060 on a 400 can be accomplished with a good core. I have a bare 412 on a stand in my garage right now. It needs a line bore before I can start building.
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