calling norval, TT and others: balancer problem
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markus, it's a SBC.
i think mine stock was also 6.25". i reused the same cover and it appears to fit in the same location.
i wouldn't necessarily think it should be that close to the cover. i just said it would need to almost touch the cover to even be close. after further investigation, i think i could run (if it would go) it up all the way on the cover and still be short.
i'm glad that cheepo chinease one is working for you. i'm sure the peasants earning $3.20/day that made it for you are happy too.
Originally Posted by turtlevette
Is the width of the 6.25 balancer the same as the stock 8"?
Why do you think it should almost touch the timing cover? Maybe some more picts would make it obvious for me.
i doubt there is any special balancer. I just ordered a standard 8" from a circle track mail order cheapo and it worked great. You know.......... the one made in China.
Why do you think it should almost touch the timing cover? Maybe some more picts would make it obvious for me.
i doubt there is any special balancer. I just ordered a standard 8" from a circle track mail order cheapo and it worked great. You know.......... the one made in China.
i wouldn't necessarily think it should be that close to the cover. i just said it would need to almost touch the cover to even be close. after further investigation, i think i could run (if it would go) it up all the way on the cover and still be short.
i'm glad that cheepo chinease one is working for you. i'm sure the peasants earning $3.20/day that made it for you are happy too.
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This is the only picture I could find with my new damper installed. I know mine is bottomed because I measured it before installing.
It sits well off the cover and yet the crank is almost comming right through
It sits well off the cover and yet the crank is almost comming right through
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
are you sure you didn't forget about the additional crank pulley that ponys on top of the double pulley?
Take a look at mine.
The balancer looks in about the same position as yours even though its the 8" model.
i got off my *** and went out in the drizzle to get this for you.
Take a look at mine.
The balancer looks in about the same position as yours even though its the 8" model.
i got off my *** and went out in the drizzle to get this for you.
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thanks for the extra effort, turtle.
i didn't forget about the extra pulley. that's the one that drives the P/S pump. mine appears to sit much like everyone else's. just don't know why the placement is so far off.
i didn't forget about the extra pulley. that's the one that drives the P/S pump. mine appears to sit much like everyone else's. just don't know why the placement is so far off.
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***UPDATE***
i just mock mounted (no gaskets) the water pump and mysteriously, the pulleys are only off by a fraction (i'm guessing gasket width).
this is a bit shocking but apparently the mounting bosses on the new block are shorter than those on the original by at least a good 1/4".
sorry for all the frustration and everything. it's one of those things that i absolutely should have done last weekend, BUT, i made an assumption... and we all know that makes me an idiot. :bb:
i guess we all get to be an idiot every so often. i'm just glad i could do it for all the world to see.
so now i will apparently have to shim up the pump bracket.
i do have other good news though, look for my next thread!
i just mock mounted (no gaskets) the water pump and mysteriously, the pulleys are only off by a fraction (i'm guessing gasket width).
this is a bit shocking but apparently the mounting bosses on the new block are shorter than those on the original by at least a good 1/4".
sorry for all the frustration and everything. it's one of those things that i absolutely should have done last weekend, BUT, i made an assumption... and we all know that makes me an idiot. :bb:
i guess we all get to be an idiot every so often. i'm just glad i could do it for all the world to see.
so now i will apparently have to shim up the pump bracket.
i do have other good news though, look for my next thread!
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St. Jude Donor '03,'11
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'96 vortec. but i eyeballed the original tonight and i could not see the difference. i don't believe there was anything under the bracket, but it looks as though there might have been something else between the P/S pump bracket and the block.
that's the problem with installing a motor 8 months after you pulled it.
that's the problem with installing a motor 8 months after you pulled it.
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'96 vortec. but i eyeballed the original tonight and i could not see the difference. i don't believe there was anything under the bracket, but it looks as though there might have been something else between the P/S pump bracket and the block.
that's the problem with installing a motor 8 months after you pulled it.
that's the problem with installing a motor 8 months after you pulled it.
like every damn day, these daze.....
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turns out that the 'offending' bracket was in a bucket of scrap metal due to go to the recycler this week <whoops>.
even after installing it, i still had to shim the pump forward almost a 1/4" to get it near perfect. it's very strange since that appears to be the only thing that has changed. the water pump alignment is dead on. what the hell is that all about? it was such a PITA that i may just pull the P/S pulley and shim that instead since shimming the pump created clearance problems with the alt. belt.
one of these days i'm going to finish this pharking project and i sure as hell hope that i can look back on this crap as being worth the effort.
i'm pretty close to a start up though. another day and i could start the motor.
but that doesn't count that cool tranny thing...
even after installing it, i still had to shim the pump forward almost a 1/4" to get it near perfect. it's very strange since that appears to be the only thing that has changed. the water pump alignment is dead on. what the hell is that all about? it was such a PITA that i may just pull the P/S pulley and shim that instead since shimming the pump created clearance problems with the alt. belt.
one of these days i'm going to finish this pharking project and i sure as hell hope that i can look back on this crap as being worth the effort.
i'm pretty close to a start up though. another day and i could start the motor.
but that doesn't count that cool tranny thing...
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So how far from the block does the harmonic balancer sit ?
I mean from the end of the block to the edge of the balancer?
Or are there other points from which the distance can be reliably measured ?
Thx.
I mean from the end of the block to the edge of the balancer?
Or are there other points from which the distance can be reliably measured ?
Thx.
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TT, that looks about right. the SD is a little thicker than the factory damper but looking straight at the gap between the cover and damper, it's about 1/4".
the top end of the motor is now back together but i had a bit of a scare this afternoon.
without going into the whole story, the back of the motor dropped off my jackstand while removing the tranny. i'm not sure what was holding it up other than the ES poly motor mounts which i believe are the "safety" type. since i had no dizzy in at the time, it did not get damaged, but it also didn't stop the motor from dropping pretty low in the back. i'm not sure what else could have been damaged but after investigating, it looks like it only took out my oil pressure sender.
the top end of the motor is now back together but i had a bit of a scare this afternoon.
without going into the whole story, the back of the motor dropped off my jackstand while removing the tranny. i'm not sure what was holding it up other than the ES poly motor mounts which i believe are the "safety" type. since i had no dizzy in at the time, it did not get damaged, but it also didn't stop the motor from dropping pretty low in the back. i'm not sure what else could have been damaged but after investigating, it looks like it only took out my oil pressure sender.
