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installed clutch and some progress (pics)
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '05
installed clutch and some progress (pics)
I finally got the bellhousing aligned and the clutch installed. The bellhousing was well within GM's design tolerance (total indicator runout .015") 
I got it within .003TIR (-.001" left/+.002" right, 0 top and -.001" bottom)
Have a look at the pic below and let me know if I did something wrong.
Now this looks good:
The pedals is the next major project
I got it within .003TIR (-.001" left/+.002" right, 0 top and -.001" bottom)
Have a look at the pic below and let me know if I did something wrong.
Now this looks good:
The pedals is the next major project
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Nice work on the alignment. Adjustable dowels make it easier to work with. Shouldn't have any problems out of the alignment. Its going to be a sweet setup that you will enjoy. Keep the pics coming.
Melting Slicks
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Nice work.
I went with the Keisler kit as well. My pedal wouldn't come out easy. I had to grind away some of the support bracket so the housing would clear. That really sucked
I went with the Keisler kit as well. My pedal wouldn't come out easy. I had to grind away some of the support bracket so the housing would clear. That really sucked
Melting Slicks
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I finally got the bellhousing aligned and the clutch installed. The bellhousing was well within GM's design tolerance (total indicator runout .015")
I got it within .003TIR (-.001" left/+.002" right, 0 top and -.001" bottom)
Have a look at the pic below and let me know if I did something wrong.
Now this looks good:
The pedals is the next major project
I got it within .003TIR (-.001" left/+.002" right, 0 top and -.001" bottom)
Have a look at the pic below and let me know if I did something wrong.
Now this looks good:
The pedals is the next major project
Everyone I talk to says that's the hardest part of the job. Should be smooth sailing from here on out.
Let me know if I can be of any help.
Richard
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '05
Unfortunately I don't have a small magnetic base that would fit thru the clutch - would be nice to re-check the alignment after the clutch is installed.
I removed the bellhousing and re-installed it without the clutch just to verify it's still in the same spot, took 4 set of readings and all were within .002 of each other with .003" total runout max.....
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No block saver plate and blow proof bell housing!
The whole idea of screwing around with short offset dowel pins is stupid! I wish companies like Kiesler would put 5 minutes into a little R&D or just a little thought and sell Lakewood adjustables with their kit.
No more screwing around with tapping them in and out. I bought three sets of different offsets from Keisler. I dorked around and mushroomed one set. The three junky sets cost way more than these nice adjustable units. So I have the Lakewood super long on my 434 and adjustables on my 383.
Kiesler should use better parts
http://store.standardtransmission.co...ROD&ProdID=144
The whole idea of screwing around with short offset dowel pins is stupid! I wish companies like Kiesler would put 5 minutes into a little R&D or just a little thought and sell Lakewood adjustables with their kit.
No more screwing around with tapping them in and out. I bought three sets of different offsets from Keisler. I dorked around and mushroomed one set. The three junky sets cost way more than these nice adjustable units. So I have the Lakewood super long on my 434 and adjustables on my 383.
Kiesler should use better parts
http://store.standardtransmission.co...ROD&ProdID=144
Last edited by gkull; Mar 29, 2007 at 10:50 AM.
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Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '05
No block saver plate and blow proof bell housing!
The whole idea of screwing around with short offset dowel pins is stupid! I wish companies like Kiesler would put 5 minutes into a little R&D or just a little thought and sell Lakewood adjustables with their kit.
No more screwing around with tapping them in and out. I bought three sets of different offsets from Keisler. I dorked around and mushroomed one set. The three junky sets cost way more than these nice adjustable units. So I have the Lakewood super long on my 434 and adjustables on my 383.
Kiesler should use better parts
The whole idea of screwing around with short offset dowel pins is stupid! I wish companies like Kiesler would put 5 minutes into a little R&D or just a little thought and sell Lakewood adjustables with their kit.
No more screwing around with tapping them in and out. I bought three sets of different offsets from Keisler. I dorked around and mushroomed one set. The three junky sets cost way more than these nice adjustable units. So I have the Lakewood super long on my 434 and adjustables on my 383.
Kiesler should use better parts
what's a block saver plate ?
I don't remember how much they charge for the bellhousing but for $300 you get a nice Lakewood bellhousing from Summit.... I think that's only $100 more than the cast aluminum version that I have now....
The short dowels work fine, they were just too tight in the block so I had to file a little.... well, better than a sloppy fit....
I do agree that these pins should be included in the kit, I could have had this all done on Sunday if I didn't have to wait for these pins....
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The block saver plate fits on the block before you install the flywheel.
So when my crank broke, the spinning flywheel would have tore up the rear of the block.
The adjustable dowels are really slick. You just install both of them with the same offset direction and tighten the lock screw snug. Then you install the bell housing and rig up your dial indicator. You then loosen the locking screw and rotate the dowel offset direction to what is required and recheck the dial indicator.
None of that BS knocking them in and out and hoping that this time centers the pilot bushing.
So when my crank broke, the spinning flywheel would have tore up the rear of the block.
The adjustable dowels are really slick. You just install both of them with the same offset direction and tighten the lock screw snug. Then you install the bell housing and rig up your dial indicator. You then loosen the locking screw and rotate the dowel offset direction to what is required and recheck the dial indicator.
None of that BS knocking them in and out and hoping that this time centers the pilot bushing.
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St. Jude Donor '05
Melting Slicks
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No block saver plate and blow proof bell housing!
The whole idea of screwing around with short offset dowel pins is stupid! I wish companies like Kiesler would put 5 minutes into a little R&D or just a little thought and sell Lakewood adjustables with their kit.
No more screwing around with tapping them in and out. I bought three sets of different offsets from Keisler. I dorked around and mushroomed one set. The three junky sets cost way more than these nice adjustable units. So I have the Lakewood super long on my 434 and adjustables on my 383.
Kiesler should use better parts
http://store.standardtransmission.co...ROD&ProdID=144
The whole idea of screwing around with short offset dowel pins is stupid! I wish companies like Kiesler would put 5 minutes into a little R&D or just a little thought and sell Lakewood adjustables with their kit.
No more screwing around with tapping them in and out. I bought three sets of different offsets from Keisler. I dorked around and mushroomed one set. The three junky sets cost way more than these nice adjustable units. So I have the Lakewood super long on my 434 and adjustables on my 383.
Kiesler should use better parts
http://store.standardtransmission.co...ROD&ProdID=144
That's not a Lakewood Blow proof, it is one of our GM 621 replicas.
As for the dowell pins, We are already looking in to offering ones like you are referring to. Actually, Moroso makes a nice set as well.
Richard
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P.S. I always offer them up at the beginning of the conversations, just in case you get stuck on the weekends. Sorry about that MYBAD79.
Richard
Last edited by rj8806; Mar 29, 2007 at 11:57 AM.
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Like also said, I bought three sets of different sizes of offset dowels cost more than one adjustable that simpifies bell housing adjustment. Out of my three sets I dorked up one, tried one set with two much offset, I still have one unused. ThenI still had to go buy the correct longer version from Lakewood anyway. Because those three sets of shorties really sucked anyway. Your R&D should figure out when you have the space of a thick block saver and bell housing they barely are long enough to work. You could only insert then about 1/2 way into the motor block and just hope they hold any kind of alignment on the bell housing.
As a general rule the longer ones are a much nicer to use anyway. The adjustable just are iceing on the cake.
Melting Slicks
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I never really messed with manual trannys before so it has been a learning experience. Just like getting a longer clutch fork pivot ball from the GM dealer.
Like also said, I bought three sets of different sizes of offset dowels cost more than one adjustable that simpifies bell housing adjustment. Out of my three sets I dorked up one, tried one set with two much offset, I still have one unused. ThenI still had to go buy the correct longer version from Lakewood anyway. Because those three sets of shorties really sucked anyway. Your R&D should figure out when you have the space of a thick block saver and bell housing they barely are long enough to work. You could only insert then about 1/2 way into the motor block and just hope they hold any kind of alignment on the bell housing.
As a general rule the longer ones are a much nicer to use anyway. The adjustable just are iceing on the cake.
Like also said, I bought three sets of different sizes of offset dowels cost more than one adjustable that simpifies bell housing adjustment. Out of my three sets I dorked up one, tried one set with two much offset, I still have one unused. ThenI still had to go buy the correct longer version from Lakewood anyway. Because those three sets of shorties really sucked anyway. Your R&D should figure out when you have the space of a thick block saver and bell housing they barely are long enough to work. You could only insert then about 1/2 way into the motor block and just hope they hold any kind of alignment on the bell housing.
As a general rule the longer ones are a much nicer to use anyway. The adjustable just are iceing on the cake.
I'll pass your suggestion along to the R&D guys.Richard
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