C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Motor flush question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 20, 2007 | 09:05 PM
  #21  
MYBAD79's Avatar
MYBAD79
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 5,269
Likes: 54
From: Orlando Florida
St. Jude Donor '05
Default

Originally Posted by 1ARACE
You will have to put in a new cam if you are putting in new lifters, as each lifter has it's own wear pattern on the cam...just installing new lifters only, is cruising for trouble.

unless the lifters are shot do NOT replace them or mix them... you will very likely kill the cam... and IF the lifters are shot then the cam is likely not in very good shape either... always replace both cam and lifters
Reply
Old Jun 21, 2007 | 01:41 PM
  #22  
karioth's Avatar
karioth
Instructor
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 206
Likes: 0
From: Washington DC
Default

Originally Posted by rajsid
I think I am going to rinse the motor out with diesel and refill with some good synthetic oil.

The motor is a low mileage motor and it runs great (it even purrs).
The odo says 26000 miles, but the speedo cable is broken and may have twice many miles on it than that.

But it looks like the previous owner never changed the oil since the car rolled out of the factory.

That's why I am more keen on cleaning the debris inside without considering a rebuild.
check your oil frequently when you switch, sometimes those old motor just cant keep synthetic sealed!
Reply
Old Jun 21, 2007 | 06:50 PM
  #23  
rajsid's Avatar
rajsid
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,483
Likes: 1
From: Bay Area CA
Default

Originally Posted by karioth
check your oil frequently when you switch, sometimes those old motor just cant keep synthetic sealed!
What if I use a thicker grade synthetic oil ?
Does synthetic really help older motors ?
Reply
Old Jun 21, 2007 | 10:20 PM
  #24  
L88Plus's Avatar
L88Plus
Drifting
20 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,883
Likes: 124
From: Lubbock TX
Default

Karioth, I was referring to the process of pulling the intake, valve covers, oil pan, etc. and rinsing the interior of the engine with diesel manually, not running an engine flush product thru it. If I were going to go thru that much trouble, I'd rather have the engine on a stand in a clean shop where I could do a good job at it than to try to work across fenders, etc. , plus I'd probably put a new coat of Chevy orange on it, too
IMHO, you'll add enough dirt and crud while you're trying to wash the interior with diesel as described with the engine in the car that you may actually end up in worse shape when you're finished than when you started.
Reply
Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:09 PM
  #25  
C66 Racing's Avatar
C66 Racing
Premium Supporting Vendor
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,364
Likes: 38
From: King George VA
Default

Originally Posted by rajsid
What if I use a thicker grade synthetic oil ?
Does synthetic really help older motors ?
There are many myths and some truths circulating regarding synthetic oils and seal leakage. Due to the significant variation in synthetic oil base stock, blanket statements about synthetic oils and seal leakage may be inappropriate. Many synthetics have a highly processed petroleum basestock, so the basestocks effects on your seals should not change. Others such as AMSOIL and Mobil 1 have a PAO basestock, which tends to shrink seals. And yet others, such as Redline use an ester basestock which tends to swell seals. Most synthetics contain higher levels of detergents, which will clean sludge from seals exposing them to oil. If they are dried and cracked due to sludge buildup, this could lead to leaks.

If you have a clean engine and you are experiencing no leaks, then you should not have any leaks with AMSOIL or other quality synthetics. On the other hand, if the engine contains sludge due to age or inappropriate maintenance practices, you may experience a temporary leak. When the seals have gone for sometime without oil contacting and nourishing the seals due to blockage from sludge, they will harden and shrink. Since most synthetics, including AMSOIL, contain a significant amount of detergents, they will clean and remove this sludge exposing dried out seals to the oil. Depending on the synthetic oil used, this leakage may or may not be temporary. AMSOIL uses other additives such as Ester which will improve the seal’s suppleness and counters the shrinkage of the PAO basestock Based on reports I've read, AMSOIL should swell the seal 3% to 5%. But, if the seal has a mechanical fault, such as a crack or tear, then AMSOIL can't repair the damage. How other synthetics effect the seals is highly dependent on their basestock.
__________________


C66 Racing #66 NASA ST2, SCCA T2
AMSOIL Dealer (Forum Vendor)
AMSOIL Preferred Customer Program (Members buy at Wholesale - a savings of about 25%)





Reply
Old Jun 21, 2007 | 11:14 PM
  #26  
rajsid's Avatar
rajsid
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,483
Likes: 1
From: Bay Area CA
Default

Subdriver... thanks!!
This was a load of helpful info.
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:20 PM
  #27  
David Ey's Avatar
David Ey
Burning Brakes
Supporting Lifetime
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,167
Likes: 2
From: Ft.Worth Texas
Default

Originally Posted by 1ARACE
You will have to put in a new cam if you are putting in new lifters, as each lifter has it's own wear pattern on the cam...just installing new lifters only, is cruising for trouble.
I don't want to start an arguement here but I really don't see the logic here. A new lifter is flat on the bottom and has no wear pattern at all. The cam lobe will be slightly crowned and would touch the lifter in the center and create a new pattern.
Anyway, it wouldn't be much more work to change the cam too.
My point was, don't run any of that crap thru your motor...engine running. Pour it thru and let it drain out probably would be ok but the best thing would be to change the oil and filter real often.
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:59 PM
  #28  
vette blue's Avatar
vette blue
Instructor
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 191
Likes: 1
From: MONTREAL QUEBEC
Default

Change your oil and filter add 1 cup atf to carb while engine is running repeat before next oil change and should clean up fairly well by 3rd oil change with atf.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Jun 23, 2007 | 11:00 PM
  #29  
1ARACE's Avatar
1ARACE
Burning Brakes
15 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 915
Likes: 2
From: Lima, OH -- 69 L71 427/435hp
Default

Originally Posted by David Ey
I don't want to start an arguement here but I really don't see the logic here. A new lifter is flat on the bottom and has no wear pattern at all. The cam lobe will be slightly crowned and would touch the lifter in the center and create a new pattern.
Anyway, it wouldn't be much more work to change the cam too.
My point was, don't run any of that crap thru your motor...engine running. Pour it thru and let it drain out probably would be ok but the best thing would be to change the oil and filter real often.
As you would expect, the lifter has formed a pattern on the bottom congruent with the pattern on the cam lobe, which mates the two as a match. However if the cam and lifter setup is relatively new, then you may get away with it as the wear pattern has not set in yet.

Adding a new lifter to an existing cam lobe that does not have the corresponding wear pattern is asking for trouble...and the OP mentioned the lifters/cam have been together for some time apprently... that is why I mentioned it may be in his favor to change both at the same time.
Reply
Old Jun 24, 2007 | 10:32 PM
  #30  
David Ey's Avatar
David Ey
Burning Brakes
Supporting Lifetime
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,167
Likes: 2
From: Ft.Worth Texas
Default

Originally Posted by 1ARACE
As you would expect, the lifter has formed a pattern on the bottom congruent with the pattern on the cam lobe, which mates the two as a match. However if the cam and lifter setup is relatively new, then you may get away with it as the wear pattern has not set in yet.

Adding a new lifter to an existing cam lobe that does not have the corresponding wear pattern is asking for trouble...and the OP mentioned the lifters/cam have been together for some time apprently... that is why I mentioned it may be in his favor to change both at the same time.
Reply




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:19 AM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE