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How good are Performance Products Intake Manifolds?
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How good are Performance Products Intake Manifolds?
I have seen some of the Performance Products intake manifolds advertised, with claims of narrow power and torque superiority over brand "H" and Brand "E".
I am particularly interested in the Crosswind or the Hurricane.
Has anyone used these and can give some feedback?
I am particularly interested in the Crosswind or the Hurricane.
Has anyone used these and can give some feedback?
Le Mans Master
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I have not Dyno'd my engine to post power capabilities, but I am running the polished Crosswind (RPM airgap) on my 406. The Crosswind manifold has larger intake ports than it's Edelbrock counterpart. The stats are at home, but I do remember that the Crosswind came within .005 of matching my AFR 210 intake ports. I didn't bother porting it. Fit was perfect, and it also comes with all the options a performance manifold can have. The casting is pretty good, and the polishing is not bad either. Worth the $ IMO.
Eddie
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I have bought 4 so far!
They are way cheaper than ********* and fit good.
I watch certain sites for specials on the polished ones, the last one I bought a "Cyclone" polished for only $120 bucks!!!
They are way cheaper than ********* and fit good.
I watch certain sites for specials on the polished ones, the last one I bought a "Cyclone" polished for only $120 bucks!!!
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Just my opinion from similar dialogue with tuners, unless you have an engine producing 400+hp at the flywheel that needs an intake manifold capable of flowing the air of an Edelbrock RPM air gap manifold, your stock, low-rise dual-plane manifold is fine. Focus on the ignition timing, carb tuning, heads and exhaust.
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I'm using a PROFESSIONAL products Cyclone intake manifold. I doubt it flows much better than the stock aluminum one, but I needed something inexpensive and low rise to put on my vortec heads so I went with it. Seems to work fine, though.
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USA wage rate = XXX
China wage rate = -X
You do the math.
Edelbrock has developed numerous products for hot rods during its corporate life.
Professional Products has developed what?
Buy the stuff casted and milled in China, cut off the dollars to USA companies so they can not afford R&D.
Where you going to be in 10 years?
$100 more for the Edl - about the cost of one good tire. If you 'drive' your car, tire will be gone in 20-30000 miles. Intake will still be there when you are buyingmore tires.
Just my opionion!
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We have wnet thru this time and time again.
1: I bought mine from Northern auto , im pretty sure they are an American company, so by me buying from them, the American company made some money and will go to work another day whether the product was made in China or East L.A.
Thats tuff Edelbrock done all the work and pioneered the intake and now I can save $100 bucks on a knock off= good for me.
I know most of you anti "over seas product" guys are saying its worth the extra $100 so Vic can buy another ocean cruiser or add on to his mansion, but that $100 bought me a aluminum water pump and new distributer. Im in it for me not the welfare of a millionare.
But if you need the sopport and warm fuzzy feeling of your blanky with the Edelbrock name on your car then go ahead, because while you give more to Vic to research, tool and die, I'll wrap up in my fat savings account. No guility conscience here!!!!!
1: I bought mine from Northern auto , im pretty sure they are an American company, so by me buying from them, the American company made some money and will go to work another day whether the product was made in China or East L.A.
Thats tuff Edelbrock done all the work and pioneered the intake and now I can save $100 bucks on a knock off= good for me.
I know most of you anti "over seas product" guys are saying its worth the extra $100 so Vic can buy another ocean cruiser or add on to his mansion, but that $100 bought me a aluminum water pump and new distributer. Im in it for me not the welfare of a millionare.
But if you need the sopport and warm fuzzy feeling of your blanky with the Edelbrock name on your car then go ahead, because while you give more to Vic to research, tool and die, I'll wrap up in my fat savings account. No guility conscience here!!!!!
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I've done the math. If things were equal, I might consider the knock-off (then again, why would I send my money out of the USA if they were equal), but they aren't. I don't compromise where it counts, nor do I over pay when it doesn't, so at the end of the day I do get the most bang for my buck.
I bought a Chineese hoist and stand, so the several hundred dollars saved on such items can be applied to buying surperior products, such as from Edelbrock. Bottom line is, since price isn't the only consideration, I'm really the one who's ahead, and I also have the satisfaction of supporting an important American industry in the process.
I bought a Chineese hoist and stand, so the several hundred dollars saved on such items can be applied to buying surperior products, such as from Edelbrock. Bottom line is, since price isn't the only consideration, I'm really the one who's ahead, and I also have the satisfaction of supporting an important American industry in the process.
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One of the engine builders I know did some back to back to back testing of them against a comparable Edelbrock. On a 450 or so HP motor the Edelbrock was 10 or so HP better. The Professional products one did OK overall and lots of roundy round guys use them.
Some are cast pretty good...some are light years from even being close. So don't assume you won't need to do some work to them.
There are other Mfg's casting overseas these days too...but at least they are doing their designs.
For philosophical and tangible reasons described above, I won't ever buy one. I KNOW how they made them..by out and out copying a Co. who did the R&D and one that does support American racers and street folks. They even try to copy names and part numbers in some cases. As long as I have another choice I'll buy it. Don't get me wrong....I have some Chinese parts on my car...SCAT rods for example...and a Callies crank that starts as steel from Japan. Even GM, Ford and Mopar are using SCAT stroker cranks..that's just how it is. No one here makes the forgings anymore really. You can get mega $$ billets and I'm too cheap to buy them..so I understand saving a $$.
But as I said..if I have the choice..I'll do my best to not support thieves.
JIM
Some are cast pretty good...some are light years from even being close. So don't assume you won't need to do some work to them.
There are other Mfg's casting overseas these days too...but at least they are doing their designs.
For philosophical and tangible reasons described above, I won't ever buy one. I KNOW how they made them..by out and out copying a Co. who did the R&D and one that does support American racers and street folks. They even try to copy names and part numbers in some cases. As long as I have another choice I'll buy it. Don't get me wrong....I have some Chinese parts on my car...SCAT rods for example...and a Callies crank that starts as steel from Japan. Even GM, Ford and Mopar are using SCAT stroker cranks..that's just how it is. No one here makes the forgings anymore really. You can get mega $$ billets and I'm too cheap to buy them..so I understand saving a $$.
But as I said..if I have the choice..I'll do my best to not support thieves.
JIM
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I bought an Air Gap a while back, worst casting job I'd ever seen, looked like a second. That polished intake looks a heck of a lot better than the USA Edelbrock. So much for US quality. Most likely it will work just fine, unless you are trying to squeeze the last horse out of it.
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And as for American companies, thank GE for many years our parents bought their product and worked there only to be told how much they cared about their workers by moving to mexico!
Our whole town had two three GE apliences in the house but that didn't help. Look how they paid us back for spending our money with them!
But they still fill the walmart shelves with their junk hoping we will forget where they were and where they went.
Ole Vic E uses China stuff don't think he don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Y'all do realize that everything professional products produces is manufactured under a license, right? Either way Edelbrock, or whomever owns the patent to whatever product they're selling, makes the same money per unit as if you bought an edelbrock branded one. The only difference is the manufacturing costs, which PP obviously lowers.
Professional products is now producing mechanical piston fuel pumps under license from www.racepumps.com. It even says all over their site that it's licensed from racepumps.com
Honestly America is not really a manufacturing country any more. It's more of a service and engineering country now. We're just Rome 2.0. All roads just lead to the United States now, instead.
Professional products is now producing mechanical piston fuel pumps under license from www.racepumps.com. It even says all over their site that it's licensed from racepumps.com
Honestly America is not really a manufacturing country any more. It's more of a service and engineering country now. We're just Rome 2.0. All roads just lead to the United States now, instead.
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We have wnet thru this time and time again.
1: I bought mine from Northern auto , im pretty sure they are an American company, so by me buying from them, the American company made some money and will go to work another day whether the product was made in China or East L.A.
Thats tuff Edelbrock done all the work and pioneered the intake and now I can save $100 bucks on a knock off= good for me.
I know most of you anti "over seas product" guys are saying its worth the extra $100 so Vic can buy another ocean cruiser or add on to his mansion, but that $100 bought me a aluminum water pump and new distributer. Im in it for me not the welfare of a millionare.
But if you need the sopport and warm fuzzy feeling of your blanky with the Edelbrock name on your car then go ahead, because while you give more to Vic to research, tool and die, I'll wrap up in my fat savings account. No guility conscience here!!!!!
1: I bought mine from Northern auto , im pretty sure they are an American company, so by me buying from them, the American company made some money and will go to work another day whether the product was made in China or East L.A.
Thats tuff Edelbrock done all the work and pioneered the intake and now I can save $100 bucks on a knock off= good for me.
I know most of you anti "over seas product" guys are saying its worth the extra $100 so Vic can buy another ocean cruiser or add on to his mansion, but that $100 bought me a aluminum water pump and new distributer. Im in it for me not the welfare of a millionare.
But if you need the sopport and warm fuzzy feeling of your blanky with the Edelbrock name on your car then go ahead, because while you give more to Vic to research, tool and die, I'll wrap up in my fat savings account. No guility conscience here!!!!!
Edelbrock is proven quality.
Are you anti-capitalist? Pro, what's that word that is used to describe the government in China? No free enterprise, state controls most everything - oh yeah, Communist! Like they need more of our money so they can do a better job of poisioning us and our pets.
If I had a FAT savings account, I'd spend the extra money.
Just my opinion.
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I don't think they licensed anything from Edelbrock. They changed it just enough to call it new. That's why Vic was so ticked at them.
Sorta like the MSD knock offs out there..but I agree...everyone sends stuff out...MSD has coils made in China too!
As I said...they work....and honestly SOME of their permanent mold stuff looks nicer than the sand cast pieces. There are other intake MFG's that I'm pretty sure are using same folks to make their stuff.
I'm just not willing to throw in the towel yet. There's nothing we can't build better here.
JIM
Sorta like the MSD knock offs out there..but I agree...everyone sends stuff out...MSD has coils made in China too!
As I said...they work....and honestly SOME of their permanent mold stuff looks nicer than the sand cast pieces. There are other intake MFG's that I'm pretty sure are using same folks to make their stuff.
I'm just not willing to throw in the towel yet. There's nothing we can't build better here.
JIM
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