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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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Well I was on the highway doing about 75 mph. It was starting to get hot so I turned on the AC. About 2 minutes later, I felt something coming from the engine and the car started to loose power. I turn off the AC and some of the power came back. About 10 minutes later, I slowed to pay a toll and the engine stopped. After getting the car home this is what I found.

I have about 1200 miles on these heads.

Any Ideas what could cause this type of failure?
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:42 PM
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I don't know all that much about engines, but that doesn't look good.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:45 PM
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Obviously a broken valve stem.....the cause?
Time to do some detective work.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 12:58 PM
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Possible causes;

Coil bind
Insufficient guide to retainer clearance
Over-revving (valve float)
Insufficient valve to piston clearance
Retainer, valve stem or keeper failure
Cam has too much lift for spring set-up
Have a competent machine shop do forensics on the heads.

BTW, a major engine rebuilder supplied a customer with a long block. Lasted 300 miles. Coil bind. You have to check everything these days.

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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 02:03 PM
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...And you never heard anything??
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Originally Posted by pmullaly
...And you never heard anything??
Actually nothing that sounded strange... I felt power loss, but that is about it. The spark plug broke so no popping. I don’t remember any tapping…..


The heads, plugs, push rods, and pictures are going to the manufacturer for analysis.
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With the way that valve is bent I'm sure that rod and piston will have to be replaced.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 06:18 PM
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Gary. Please educate me. What is Coil Bind?
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by big_G
Possible causes;

Coil bind
Insufficient guide to retainer clearance
Over-revving (valve float)
Insufficient valve to piston clearance
Retainer, valve stem or keeper failure
Cam has too much lift for spring set-up
Have a competent machine shop do forensics on the heads.

BTW, a major engine rebuilder supplied a customer with a long block. Lasted 300 miles. Coil bind. You have to check everything these days.


You say 1200 miles? i am surprised it even lasted that!!
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I might suspect the valve stem stuck in the guide and hung open. The piston hit it and bent it enough to break it off. Either that or it was simply a dropped valve. No way that should have happened under those conditions.

If it makes you feel any better I had a cam chain failure on my '98Jaguar twin overhead cam engine a few months ago and it resulted in the same broken valve stem and a ventilated piston. The only difference is if it had been a Chevy I would have fixed it myself. The Jag had to be junked as the cost to fix was higer than the value of the whole stinking car.

P.S. - if any of you happen to own a late 90's early 2000's Jag and have not done the cam chain tensioner upgrades yet, send me a PM RIGHT AWAY.

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Originally Posted by 73VetteKS
Gary. Please educate me. What is Coil Bind?
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Coil bind: when for whatever reason the individual wires that makeup the spring coils touch, basically becoming solid.

Find out what cam was used (lift), installed height of the springs, valve to piston clearance, rocker ratio etc. The answer is there.

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Originally Posted by pmullaly
With the way that valve is bent I'm sure that rod and piston will have to be replaced.
I got a little ray of sunshine tonite. The cylinder wall is OK.
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Sonic or dye check the block anyways, as well as the crank for straightness. Cylinder cracks can sometimes be very hard to see.
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Originally Posted by big_G
Sonic or dye check the block anyways, as well as the crank for straightness. Cylinder cracks can sometimes be very hard to see.
By the time I take the engine apart, pay to have the block and crank checked, and then pay someone to put it all back together, It would be easier to buy a new short block if I get warranty coverage on the heads.

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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Al77Vette
By the time I take the engine apart, pay to have the block and crank checked, and then pay someone to put it all back together, It would be easier to buy a new short block if I get warranty coverage on the heads.

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It would be easier. You have to look at all options.
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