fire and fuelresistant resin
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Melting Slicks
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From: Beringen
fire and fuelresistant resin
Does anyone know of a brand that has a fire and fuel resistant resin that can be poored into a mold. The objective would be to build a custom manifold.
Pro
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From: Grand Rapids Michigan
As far as I know, that product does not exist. The high heat will cause delamination of the fibers. I don't know what kind of composite would handle an application like that. Carbon fiber is awfully brittle, and incredibly expensive. Why not just go with high strength carbon steel and have them jet hot coated (powder coated)?
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From: Foxfield CO 1970 Convertible
As far as I know, that product does not exist. The high heat will cause delamination of the fibers. I don't know what kind of composite would handle an application like that. Carbon fiber is awfully brittle, and incredibly expensive. Why not just go with high strength carbon steel and have them jet hot coated (powder coated)?
Le Mans Master
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From: Boca Raton Florida
How much heat can carbon fiber take? Why worry about the fireproof thing? There is no fire in the intake manifold. If the thing catches on fire, you got more to worry about than just the manifold
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Melting Slicks
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From: Beringen
Actually some expert here said that these resins do exist and that they are mainly used in airplane technology.
Maybe I should explain the fireresistant thing : I mean that the intake has to be able to withstand an engine backfiring and producing maybe a high heat flame.
I read somewhere that 3m had these resins, but my mails did not get any reply.
Furthermore I was planning on pooring the resin in a mold, so i'm not planning on using any fibers at all.
Maybe I should explain the fireresistant thing : I mean that the intake has to be able to withstand an engine backfiring and producing maybe a high heat flame.
I read somewhere that 3m had these resins, but my mails did not get any reply.
Furthermore I was planning on pooring the resin in a mold, so i'm not planning on using any fibers at all.
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From: Ville de la Baie Quebec. A winner is just a loser who tried again.
We use Hysol resins at work, its a division of loctite. 956, 9321, 934 etc. all these resins are used on composit structures and withstand petrolium products. I'm sure you can find what you need there,, but be prepared to pay the price.
As for heat they most likly have a data sheet on all the products
http://www.aerospace.henkel.com/
As for heat they most likly have a data sheet on all the products
http://www.aerospace.henkel.com/
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Try Magnolia plastics or Ad-Tech Systems. They both have aluminum or even ceramic filled epoxy casting systems. As far as pouring, the aluminum fillers pour infinitely better than any fiber materials. In a casting operation, the fibers tend to stick together and 'clog' the mold leaving voids behind the 'clog'. What are you going to build the mold from? Pourable RTV silicone might be the best bet. It is inherently non-stick and is made in various hardnesses(durometer).If you need more info, I'll be glad to help all that I can. I am a mold builder by profession, mostly fiberglass, polyurethanes and epoxies. Good Luck!
thefourtaylors@bellsouth.net
PS: the aluminum-filled epoxies can be machined (ie.drilled, tapped and surfaced)just like real aluminum
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PS: the aluminum-filled epoxies can be machined (ie.drilled, tapped and surfaced)just like real aluminum
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Melting Slicks
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From: Beringen
Well as I said before I'm going to build an IR manifold for weber type throttle bodies (8). I did not find anything that fitted my needs. I was planning on first using a wood to build a basemanifold and here and there apply plasticine to get the shape correctly. Then I would fabricate the mold based on that model and then I would pour the resin in this mould.
I'm not sure if it would work however.
The material, apart from flame and fuel resistant, also has to be pretty hard like original aluminum. Getting threads in it would be nice but not absolutly necessary since it would be possible to glue studs into the plastic...
What do the professionals think.
I'm not sure if it would work however.
The material, apart from flame and fuel resistant, also has to be pretty hard like original aluminum. Getting threads in it would be nice but not absolutly necessary since it would be possible to glue studs into the plastic...
What do the professionals think.
Racer
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From: Valley AL
Well as I said before I'm going to build an IR manifold for weber type throttle bodies (8). I did not find anything that fitted my needs. I was planning on first using a wood to build a basemanifold and here and there apply plasticine to get the shape correctly. Then I would fabricate the mold based on that model and then I would pour the resin in this mould.
I'm not sure if it would work however.
The material, apart from flame and fuel resistant, also has to be pretty hard like original aluminum. Getting threads in it would be nice but not absolutly necessary since it would be possible to glue studs into the plastic...
What do the professionals think.
I'm not sure if it would work however.
The material, apart from flame and fuel resistant, also has to be pretty hard like original aluminum. Getting threads in it would be nice but not absolutly necessary since it would be possible to glue studs into the plastic...
What do the professionals think.
Racer
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From: Valley AL
http://www.adtechplastics.com/pc-174...ng-series.aspx
