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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 08:02 PM
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It's interesting. It sounds a lot like RFI except the head unit and amp are powered off. The whine sounds JUST like RFI, and even coincided with engine RPM.

I checked the carb and it's securely mated to the manifold so I'm not hearing the whistle of the engine vacuum...at least not from there.

I sprayed some carb cleaner at some of the exposed vacuum tubes and no change in RPM occurred.

I'm really curious, since the sound seems to be coming from the cabin, and either it's not coming from the engine or I just can't hear it over the engine and exhaust.

Who's got an idea on this one?
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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Whine coming through the speakers is RFI. Eventhough you may not have the system turned on, there are circuits inside that remain powered and can be affected by alternator whine.

Get a filter and put it in the alternator positive lead, this should make the whine go away. Also make sure all of your ground connections are good.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 08:19 PM
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Whine coming through the speakers is RFI. Eventhough you may not have the system turned on, there are circuits inside that remain powered and can be affected by alternator whine.

Get a filter and put it in the alternator positive lead, this should make the whine go away. Also make sure all of your ground connections are good.

This was also my first thought but the speakers are connected to only the amp. The head unit's amp is not even on, it's switched off.

While the engine was running I tested the terminals on the amp for the speakers and sub. All were 0.00 and the amp was shut down and cold.

The sound does not get louder the closer I get my ears to the speaker. It's such an odd sound.

I have a filter and may try it inline with the alt just for giggles but I doubt it is really RFI.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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Is it a vacuum leak in your console at AC control or the vacuum shut off valve on top of the heater box?
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 08:55 PM
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Disconnect the speaker wires if you can. That will rule out the amp.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 08:58 PM
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Is it a vacuum leak in your console at AC control or the vacuum shut off valve on top of the heater box?

Well I just installed the console so the vacuum lines were firmly in place on the HVAC control. I can check the line as the heater box tomorrow.

I'll also remove the fuses from the amp to check that part again.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 09:04 PM
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Try blocking the vacuum going into the cabin from the engine.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by thoyer
Whine coming through the speakers is RFI. Eventhough you may not have the system turned on, there are circuits inside that remain powered and can be affected by alternator whine.

Get a filter and put it in the alternator positive lead, this should make the whine go away. Also make sure all of your ground connections are good.
Make sure the ground is good.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DWncchs
Try blocking the vacuum going into the cabin from the engine.
might be coming from a vacume selector in the console, they leak sometimes, also the vac operators in the dash for the ac vents and dampers.
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My headlight switch makes a ferocious hiss when the lights are on...
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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Stupid question...Stock engine?

If not...dogbone timing with whiner gears?
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Originally Posted by eileenthevette
Stupid question...Stock engine?

If not...dogbone timing with whiner gears?

It's a hot 350, headers and side pipes. No timing gears and I have no idea what dog bone timing means.
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Does it by chance have an ignition box behind the dash panel.....?
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Originally Posted by I'm Batman
My headlight switch makes a ferocious hiss when the lights are on...
Sounds like the 2 hoses might be switched.
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Originally Posted by yellow 72
Does it by chance have an ignition box behind the dash panel.....?

No it's all stock ignition. I pulled the amp fuses and the noise persisted. I really can't hear it from the engine side...only inside but I can't determine where it's coming from.
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Originally Posted by DWncchs
Sounds like the 2 hoses might be switched.
It works normally, so I think they're in the right place. I think I damaged one of the hoses or the plastic vacuum control part of the switch the last time I took it apart - they were pretty dried out and stuck.
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Try these folks...it's their specialty
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 07:38 AM
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It's a hot 350, headers and side pipes. No timing gears and I have no idea what dog bone timing means.
Instead of a timing chain, you have a bracket with two idler gears that run between the crank and cam gears. It's shaped like a dogbone.

You can buy them with gears that give off a whining sound...something like a supercharger. Some people like that sound.
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Originally Posted by eileenthevette
Instead of a timing chain, you have a bracket with two idler gears that run between the crank and cam gears. It's shaped like a dogbone.

You can buy them with gears that give off a whining sound...something like a supercharger. Some people like that sound.
Here's a pic of a Pete Jackson Gear Drive (never heard it called "dogbone timing" before):

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Matt, bux to doughnutz you have a ground loop in the speakers....

wonder if the speakers themselves are grounded somehow, and you are having some alt induced whine as a result....what you need to is run it with engine off, and see if the noise persists....

alternator whine is nearly impossible to eliminate with certain, typically cheeeper, amps.....

you can do a L/C filter, you can try running it off the battery direct on positive and negative....disconnect the inputs with amp keyed ON, and see what you have.....ground loops in this about 1/2 way designed aftermarket crap are just that....crap.....

I been an old tyme ET for decades now....BTDT...and did engineering design work.....RFI and EMI are olde tyme enemies of mine....

from the 50's yet even....
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