Smart Strut versus Adjustable Struts...redundant???
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Burning Brakes
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Smart Strut versus Adjustable Struts...redundant???
I'm researching components for my impending rear suspension rebuild and need some feedback. I'm looking at the VB&P adjustable struts or the Smart Strut system that is comprised of the same struts, new mount bracket & stock style camber cam/bolts.
My question is why do you need the camber cams (w/Smart Strut) when the struts that come with it are adjustable? VB&P even says in their literature that the adjustable struts alone eliminate the cams!!! What gives? The ability to adjust camber at both locations seems redundant and just adds a greater potential for misalignment to occur. Seems to me the adjustable struts alone will do the job (as VB&P contradicts itself).
Mark
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My question is why do you need the camber cams (w/Smart Strut) when the struts that come with it are adjustable? VB&P even says in their literature that the adjustable struts alone eliminate the cams!!! What gives? The ability to adjust camber at both locations seems redundant and just adds a greater potential for misalignment to occur. Seems to me the adjustable struts alone will do the job (as VB&P contradicts itself).
Mark
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Re: Smart Strut versus Adjustable Struts...redundant??? (mdsmith)
I thought the same thing a couple of years ago when I installed mine. I just installed the cam bolts, torqued them down with the alignment lines lined up equally, and then set the camber with the adjustable rods/heimjoint spherical rod ends - as you'd expect. I guess you could just substitute the cam bolts with regular high strength/shear bolts.
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Re: Smart Strut versus Adjustable Struts...redundant??? (mdsmith)
Mark,
The camber bolts play a different role on the smart strut bracket: the slots are vertical, instead of horizontal. That allows you to adjust the geometry and lower the roll center, which reduces the camber change (I'm just quoting stuff that I don't really understand completely... :) ).
"Smart Struts" consists actually of a "smart bracket" and normal adjustable strut rods.
-Pedro
The camber bolts play a different role on the smart strut bracket: the slots are vertical, instead of horizontal. That allows you to adjust the geometry and lower the roll center, which reduces the camber change (I'm just quoting stuff that I don't really understand completely... :) ).
"Smart Struts" consists actually of a "smart bracket" and normal adjustable strut rods.
-Pedro
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Re: Smart Strut versus Adjustable Struts...redundant??? (mdsmith)
Last month I put a set of VBP adj. struts in mine. I've also used these struts in other C3's I've had as I think the stock struts are pretty lame.
I too didn't see what the big deal was with the "smart struts", especially on a street driven 'Vette that I don't push all that hard. It's kinda hard to push a stock L48 anyway :D
The adjustable struts are much stronger and have less bushing distortion with polyurethane and hold the alignment much longer, not to mention making it alot easier to align. The one thing that VBP doesn't tell you in their literature is that you have to weld up the stock cam bolt locator tabs along their outside edges to provide extra support needed for the new struts. With this car I knew that going in and ordered a new strut rod bracket before installation. I had this bracket welded prior to tearing the rear end apart so I could keep the original bracket (and struts) for later and to have the parts ready for installation while I was already under the car. I didn't want to go through the hassle of taking the rear apart and then having to leave to go get the bracket welded and then come back to install it since I don't have a welding machine in the garage.
I really like these beefier adjustable struts and think they were well worth the money. :cheers:
I too didn't see what the big deal was with the "smart struts", especially on a street driven 'Vette that I don't push all that hard. It's kinda hard to push a stock L48 anyway :D
The adjustable struts are much stronger and have less bushing distortion with polyurethane and hold the alignment much longer, not to mention making it alot easier to align. The one thing that VBP doesn't tell you in their literature is that you have to weld up the stock cam bolt locator tabs along their outside edges to provide extra support needed for the new struts. With this car I knew that going in and ordered a new strut rod bracket before installation. I had this bracket welded prior to tearing the rear end apart so I could keep the original bracket (and struts) for later and to have the parts ready for installation while I was already under the car. I didn't want to go through the hassle of taking the rear apart and then having to leave to go get the bracket welded and then come back to install it since I don't have a welding machine in the garage.
I really like these beefier adjustable struts and think they were well worth the money. :cheers:
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Re: Smart Strut versus Adjustable Struts...redundant??? (mdsmith)
The principle idea behind the Smart Struts is to LOWER the struts at the differential making them parallel to the half shafts. This will keep the tires nearly vertical as they move up and down in the wheel wells. Stock struts cause the wheels to travel in an arc as they go up and down.
I accomplished the same thing by fashioning an aluminum spacer block between the differential and the strut mounting bracket to obtain an absolute parallel between strut and half shaft. However, the Smart Strut allows exhaust pipes to fit between the strut ends. My spacer block requires the pipes to run below them losing substantial ground clearance. Since I run side pipes, it doesn't matter.
Chuck
I accomplished the same thing by fashioning an aluminum spacer block between the differential and the strut mounting bracket to obtain an absolute parallel between strut and half shaft. However, the Smart Strut allows exhaust pipes to fit between the strut ends. My spacer block requires the pipes to run below them losing substantial ground clearance. Since I run side pipes, it doesn't matter.
Chuck
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Re: Smart Strut versus Adjustable Struts...redundant??? (Chuck Harmon)
Thanks for all the responses!! :) So do you guys think the extra $100 for the Smart Strut system is worth it or should I go with just the struts and use the $100 elsewhere?
Mark
Mark
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Re: Smart Strut versus Adjustable Struts...redundant??? (Chuck Harmon)
Ditto to Chuck.
See the Vette Improvement Program article in the archives on suspension. In it, John Greenwood discusses this concept and the effect that lowering the strut rods has on camber change with wheel travel. It DOES make a difference.
See the Vette Improvement Program article in the archives on suspension. In it, John Greenwood discusses this concept and the effect that lowering the strut rods has on camber change with wheel travel. It DOES make a difference.
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Re: Smart Strut versus Adjustable Struts...redundant??? (mdsmith)
If anyone is interested i have two extra Heim joint adjustable camber bar set-ups for sale, BOTH include the camber bracket pre welded. One has new rods and heim joints the other has used (but nice) rods and heim joints. Keep in mind the VB heim joints are cheapies (heims w/grease fitting are WEAK) AND the VB or Guldstrand deal does NOT include the camber bar. New set $200+UPS/ Used set $150+UPS. Each set includes NEW hardware. e-mail me direct!! redvetracr@aol.com
PS: VB gets $200 and Guldstrand gets $275
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