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I'm running the pypes system on my 68 Firebird and while it wasn't totally perfect (it has since been revised), it was pretty good. The HP gains were real, and that was worth it to me.
I want to apologize for not responding to this thread earlier, to be honest, when the posts died down I felt I had to figure it out myself.
Originally Posted by Ccass
Based on your pictures and the brand of headers you have, you will have to modify the S-pipe supplied and probably add another piece of pipe to match up with the LH header.
I know now that I will have to modify both the S-Pipe's as well as the remaining Pipe that attaches to the collector. I just wasn't expecting such a large extent of modification.
Originally Posted by Ccass
I think your other main problem is you are basing your entire installation on mating up with the headers first and then allowing the system to fit the car based on the header position when you should be doing the exact opposite. You should be positioning the system (especially the tailpipes) first and then working your way forward. The tailpipes can only go in one position at one angle for proper installation. Any deviation from that will certainly make it appear as they don’t fit.
When I did a rough fit, and noted that it didn't come close to fitting, I tried starting at the back, the front as well as in the middle and I had problems at both ends for e.g. When I started at the rear the drivers side pipe fell short by 2" and wouldn't match up with either the X-Pipe or muffler, when I took them apart I realised the both pipes between the X-Pipe and muffler were a different length. The driver’s side was approximately 2" shorter which made sense why it fell short. To solve this I either had to make a new pipe or weld a 2" extension, I choose to weld an extension and it fits now. The X-pipe had to be widened at the rear since both sets of mufflers hit the spare tire carrier. Issues with the front section remained constant regardless of which side I started installing from
Originally Posted by Ccass
The other potential problem is your choice of mufflers. The Dynomax muffler is a decent muffler. However, we never tested it for fit and never intended the SCC10 system to be sold without mufflers.
This system I purchase was Pypes Street Pro Exhaust Systems PYE-SCC10S therefore it did come with mufflers. I just wanted to experiment with a different sound since both mufflers were about the same size therefore swapping them wouldn't be a problem.
Originally Posted by Ccass
My suggestion is to try re-installing everything again but from the back forward this time. What should be remaining is a possible fit issue between the collectors and the S-bends. This section can then be finished by your local shop fairly easily.
I received an estimate of $210.00 in Canada to perform the modifications only not install the system but unfortunately the car is not drivable at this point therefore I will either modify it myself or bring the system to them piece by piece.
Originally Posted by Ccass
Pypes currently has a local open door policy for C3 Corvette owners. Bring you car and system in, and if we can't get it to fit properly out of the box, we'll pay for the entire installation and system! That's how confident we are that it fits.
That would have saved me many hours of frustration and would have gladly choose that option, unfortunately, living in Canada prevented me from taking Pypes up on that generous offer.
Originally Posted by Ccass
2. The reason for this system being developed was to give the C3 owner a 'performance' exhaust option. Until this system became available, there were no (not one) 2.5" mandrel bent X-pipe systems available.
I have no complaints when it comes to the quality of Pypes product, in fact I feel this stainless system is a great deal based on what's out there in the market. If I had sent negative feedback on Pypes quality then I apologize. As for the fitment, I guess my frustration got the better of me and as of today, I'm still hesitant in getting back to trying to make it fit.
Originally Posted by KevinK
You seem to be having the exact same issues I forsee having, with the strut rods.
I ended up doing a search on Pypes exhaust on this forum and found some valuable information but in a nut shell, on my '75 with Blackjack Alumacoat headers the modifications needed are:
1. Extent the drivers side pipe between the rear muffler and X-Pipe by approximately 2"
2. Widen the rear of the X-Pipe enough so that the mufflers have enough clearance so as to not hit the spare tire carrier.
3. Modify the front S-Pipe on both side as well as the pipe that attaches from this pipe to the collector.
Originally Posted by Ccass
Kevin, what model year?
According to Kevin's profile it's a '76.
Last edited by Maymyvetteliveforevr; Sep 22, 2008 at 01:57 PM.
It looks like you have the OLD style headers with the flat flange and gasket. Most of the new headers have the ball & socket set up(or bell style as it may be called). The newer style header would help big-time with the alignment coming off the headers. as far as everything else, it looks like you will have your hands full with band clamps and tacking until you have everything straightgood luck P.S. 1/2 clearance is good enough most of the time....
II received an estimate of $210.00 in Canada to perform the modifications only not install the system but unfortunately the car is not drivable at this point therefore I will either modify it myself or bring the system to them piece by piece.
$210 would be fair to install the entire system. Just to do the mods seems unreasonable.
It looks like you have the OLD style headers with the flat flange and gasket. Most of the new headers have the ball & socket set up(or bell style as it may be called). The newer style header would help big-time with the alignment coming off the headers. as far as everything else, it looks like you will have your hands full with band clamps and tacking until you have everything straightgood luck P.S. 1/2 clearance is good enough most of the time....
The headers are approximately 25 years old and have about 2000 miles on them. This car has been stored for approximately 19 years.
As DEMITRISTYLES has mentioned, automotive labour is quite expensive in Canada, that's why I was hoping for a system that was more bolt on..... with the exception of a slight modification just before the headers. I wasn't expecting this much work to be needed. That being the case this will end up being quite an expensive exhaust once it's complete.
Lesson learned.
Last edited by Maymyvetteliveforevr; Sep 22, 2008 at 08:28 PM.
2. The reason for this system being developed was to give the C3 owner a 'performance' exhaust option. Until this system became available, there were no (not one) 2.5" mandrel bent X-pipe systems available.
This is why I didn't complain. I knew it was new but it was my only real option besides a crimped 3".
I am very happy with it now that it is done. My rear wheel #'s weren't bad on the first try with the system either.