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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 12:03 PM
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I’ve tried to register twice now on the MSD Forum, but I’m still waiting for my account to be approved. So I figured that I’d try all the experts here.

So I have this brand new MSD distributor, part number 8571, but it doesn’t have the vacuum advance.

Does anyone know if there is a kit or a part number to add the vacuum advance to this distributor?

Or am I SOL?

Also a buddy here at work said that there were issues with this distributor working with a stock Corvette Tach, but he couldn’t remember why. Anyone hear about that?

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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 01:35 PM
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Wow MSD doesn't even offer the 8571 anymore

There is a Corvette specific one that has the tach drive and vacuum can, 8572

I wouldn't bother with the vacuum advance on a performance engine and the engineers at GM seem to agree with me

This is from their instructions for a new GM ZZ4 engine

"Set spark timing at 32º before top dead center (BTDC) at 4000 RPM with the vacuum advance line to the distributor
disconnected and plugged. This setting will produce 32º of total advance at wide open throttle (WOT). The HEI
vacuum advance canister should remain disconnected. This engine is designed to operate using only the internal
centrifugal advance to achieve the correct timing curve."

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so why do we need vac adv??

cheers

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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by corvettedave383
so why do we need vac adv??

cheers

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I think the main goal is producing less emissions. Also running the vacuum advance will help the engine to run a little cooler when idling for a long period of times.
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by corvettedave383
so why do we need vac adv??

cheers

dave
Because most performance engines dont need a vacuum can, including many early high HP Vettes.....They run perfect without it
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by corvettedave383
so why do we need vac adv??

cheers

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Vacuum advance regulates economy during loaded/unloaded conditions.
If all you want is performance, mech advance is sufficient. For a street car, I can't see not using one, considering fuel at $4 a gallon, and only 40 HP or so to cruise at 60MPH.
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Originally Posted by HamadUP
I think the main goal is producing less emissions. Also running the vacuum advance will help the engine to run a little cooler when idling for a long period of times.
No to the former. Yes to the latter.
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Thanks for all of the info.

Has anyone had issues with this distributor working with a stock Corvette Tach?

Thanks,
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Originally Posted by kortensi
Thanks for all of the info.

Has anyone had issues with this distributor working with a stock Corvette Tach?

Thanks,
KO
Being a tach drive distributor it should hook up the same as the OEM distributor with the OEM cable. You can succesfully use your engine as modified with that distributor. It wasn`t untill the 1963 model did the solid lifter FI cars use a vacuum can. Those before 63 didn`t have one. The idle on these cars was perfect, {850} and gas mileage was in the area of 18-20 mpg at freeway speeds with the low final gear ratios of 4.56-4.11. However these were FI cars not dual quad 270`s and that was when gas mileage was not a factor.

After the 63 models it wasn`t untill ihe introduction of the L88`s that GM went back to no vacuum advance. However most street engines also run with the vacuum hooked up for reasons stated in other replys. I run my engines both ways and those with the higher horsepower without one.

Look close at the distributors in the pictures. The first in the 68 Camaro is a over the counter crate 454 LS7. The second also a new crate engine is a 1965 A990 Race Hemi. in my 70 Cuda. Both cars are street driven at times with 'zero' issues. In fact are a blast... .



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Look sliek the vacuum advance on the Hemi is not capped at the distributor. SHould it be? Or maybe I just can't see...

That hemi is awesome!
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Street driven cars will almost all perform better with vacuum advance. Engines that operate only at high rpm (race engines) have no vacuum, so they don't need vacuum advance. In CA with our crappy gas and warm weather, I like 34* centrifugal in by 2800 rpm and no more than 10* vacuum (full manifold vacuum rather than ported). Just my 2 cents...
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Originally Posted by kortensi

There should be a small adaptor that fits inside the hole where the tach drive cable goes into. At least thats the way my 8572 is. Check you MSD kit. The tach drive in your picture looks like it's not installed. The adaptor makes the hole accept the square end of the tach cable.
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There should be a small adaptor that fits inside the hole where the tach drive cable goes into. At least thats the way my 8572 is. Check you MSD kit. The tach drive in your picture looks like it's not installed. The adaptor makes the hole accept the square end of the tach cable.

So I am unable to find this anywhere.

Anyone have an extra one?

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Look sliek the vacuum advance on the Hemi is not capped at the distributor. SHould it be? Or maybe I just can't see...
Doesn't need to be. The factory L88 and ZL1 did not even have a nipple on the vacuum advance can, just an open hole.

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Originally Posted by kortensi
So I am unable to find this anywhere.

Anyone have an extra one?

It should have come with your distributor. I'd call MSD and request one. Mine came in the bag with the springs and stops.
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Originally Posted by theandies
It should have come with your distributor. I'd call MSD and request one. Mine came in the bag with the springs and stops.
I've sent them an e-mail through their online form.

I'll let everyone know what happens.

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