View Poll Results: Which Gears With My 200-4R?
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*What Gears Should I Use With 200-4R?*
12-27-2008, 12:59 AM
#21
Team Owner
My one last piece of advice is that you just have to live with what ever first gear is and only worry about 1-1 and OD
Dumb asses that tell you about 2000 rpm going down the road don't own a hot rod. Much less a solid roller 406. you have to do the math. Motors that can rpm can do high speed. I have a 4.11 and don't even shift into OD until I'm doing 135 or 140 mph. Dumb asses think they have body lift and the car floating when they got the their POS doing 110 mph because they don't do prior proper planning.
If you over gear you don't have much acceleration in top gear. Even with my good aerodynamics. My 79 vette is slow to gain speed over 160 mph. It is the same with NASCAR cup cars on the super speed ways. It takes two laps in the plate motors for them to be in the 190-200 mph range.
In a higher rpm car if you go drag racing. look at your tire diameter and rear gear calc's. with my 700R4 and 4.11 with 10X28 slicks I was doing near 90 in second and not even near my red line in 1-1 third through the lights doing 11.70's @ 118 -120 mph
OH ya, dumb asses that want 308 or 3.36 with over drive............ That comes out to 278 mph in top gear at 7000 rpm. Aren't you a little smarter to gear for sub 200 mph
Dumb asses that tell you about 2000 rpm going down the road don't own a hot rod. Much less a solid roller 406. you have to do the math. Motors that can rpm can do high speed. I have a 4.11 and don't even shift into OD until I'm doing 135 or 140 mph. Dumb asses think they have body lift and the car floating when they got the their POS doing 110 mph because they don't do prior proper planning.
If you over gear you don't have much acceleration in top gear. Even with my good aerodynamics. My 79 vette is slow to gain speed over 160 mph. It is the same with NASCAR cup cars on the super speed ways. It takes two laps in the plate motors for them to be in the 190-200 mph range.
In a higher rpm car if you go drag racing. look at your tire diameter and rear gear calc's. with my 700R4 and 4.11 with 10X28 slicks I was doing near 90 in second and not even near my red line in 1-1 third through the lights doing 11.70's @ 118 -120 mph
OH ya, dumb asses that want 308 or 3.36 with over drive............ That comes out to 278 mph in top gear at 7000 rpm. Aren't you a little smarter to gear for sub 200 mph
12-27-2008, 09:03 AM
#22
Team Owner
I don't think so, dunno your point of reference really, what is so different about them?? they have to slip at lo rpm's for any given engine idle/rpm so I know those 'stall' ratings are really just a SWAG point....
what are you referring to??? and who makes them, and what is different about them internally/externally???
what are you referring to??? and who makes them, and what is different about them internally/externally???
For his 200R4 I would buy a 9.5 inch 3500 stall 3-5 clutch lockup TC.
cruising down a level road at 70 mph in non-lockup my motor only had an addition 300 or so rpm compared to locked up.
my old school show-n-shine 67 Charger R/T hot rodded 440 magnum had a 3000 stall. It always was slipping to 3000 rpm going down the road. It needed a big tranny cooler and got less than 10 mpg most of the time. It was something like a $500 B&M.
Look up Vigilanty, Art Carr, and some of the others. Prices start at @ $700 - $1300. They are worth every penny. They last for many years behind powerful motors
12-27-2008, 02:47 PM
#23
Race Director
It depends what you want the OD for, I use it to save gas on the highway, period, not to go any faster than I can in 4 th gear, just to drop the RPM down, way down 
12-27-2008, 03:10 PM
#24
Le Mans Master
My one last piece of advice is that you just have to live with what ever first gear is and only worry about 1-1 and OD
Dumb asses that tell you about 2000 rpm going down the road don't own a hot rod. Much less a solid roller 406. you have to do the math. Motors that can rpm can do high speed. I have a 4.11 and don't even shift into OD until I'm doing 135 or 140 mph. Dumb asses think they have body lift and the car floating when they got the their POS doing 110 mph because they don't do prior proper planning.
If you over gear you don't have much acceleration in top gear. Even with my good aerodynamics. My 79 vette is slow to gain speed over 160 mph. It is the same with NASCAR cup cars on the super speed ways. It takes two laps in the plate motors for them to be in the 190-200 mph range.
In a higher rpm car if you go drag racing. look at your tire diameter and rear gear calc's. with my 700R4 and 4.11 with 10X28 slicks I was doing near 90 in second and not even near my red line in 1-1 third through the lights doing 11.70's @ 118 -120 mph
OH ya, dumb asses that want 308 or 3.36 with over drive............ That comes out to 278 mph in top gear at 7000 rpm. Aren't you a little smarter to gear for sub 200 mph
Dumb asses that tell you about 2000 rpm going down the road don't own a hot rod. Much less a solid roller 406. you have to do the math. Motors that can rpm can do high speed. I have a 4.11 and don't even shift into OD until I'm doing 135 or 140 mph. Dumb asses think they have body lift and the car floating when they got the their POS doing 110 mph because they don't do prior proper planning.
If you over gear you don't have much acceleration in top gear. Even with my good aerodynamics. My 79 vette is slow to gain speed over 160 mph. It is the same with NASCAR cup cars on the super speed ways. It takes two laps in the plate motors for them to be in the 190-200 mph range.
In a higher rpm car if you go drag racing. look at your tire diameter and rear gear calc's. with my 700R4 and 4.11 with 10X28 slicks I was doing near 90 in second and not even near my red line in 1-1 third through the lights doing 11.70's @ 118 -120 mph
OH ya, dumb asses that want 308 or 3.36 with over drive............ That comes out to 278 mph in top gear at 7000 rpm. Aren't you a little smarter to gear for sub 200 mph
You're assuming he's gearing his car for a top speed run whereas he's trying to find a compromise between performance and fuel economy.
12-28-2008, 08:18 AM
#26
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The word hot rod and fuel economy are not the same
You will never pay for a OD tranny by gaining 2 MPG or in your case one Km per liter. Fuel efficiency is where your motor is running in the cams sweet spot not some magical low rpm
Your motor might last a little longer do to less ware.
I'm with gkull on the "who cares what the lower gears are" It's the 1-1 and OD that matters
You will never pay for a OD tranny by gaining 2 MPG or in your case one Km per liter. Fuel efficiency is where your motor is running in the cams sweet spot not some magical low rpm
Your motor might last a little longer do to less ware.
I'm with gkull on the "who cares what the lower gears are" It's the 1-1 and OD that matters
12-28-2008, 12:07 PM
#27
Race Director
The word hot rod and fuel economy are not the same
You will never pay for a OD tranny by gaining 2 MPG or in your case one Km per liter. Fuel efficiency is where your motor is running in the cams sweet spot not some magical low rpm
Your motor might last a little longer do to less ware.
I'm with gkull on the "who cares what the lower gears are" It's the 1-1 and OD that matters
You will never pay for a OD tranny by gaining 2 MPG or in your case one Km per liter. Fuel efficiency is where your motor is running in the cams sweet spot not some magical low rpm
Your motor might last a little longer do to less ware.
I'm with gkull on the "who cares what the lower gears are" It's the 1-1 and OD that matters
12-28-2008, 03:55 PM
#28
Melting Slicks
It really depends on how much time he is going to spend on the street compared to on the strip. My point when I relayed my experiences with my 406 and the stock 3.08 gears was that I can blow my tires away at will with these gears. I intended on putting 3.73 gears in my 80 when I dropped in the 406 and 700R4, but after driving it I don't think the tires would stand a chance of hooking up in 1st or second with 3.73 gears on the street.
My car cruises really nice in OD at 80 MPH and it accelerates very hard with the 3.07 gears. If I was going to race the car with slicks I would have 3.73 or maybe 3.90 gears. With a 3.06 first gear any lower rear gears would mean having to shift to second very quickly. Of course I would probably break everything in the back end of my 80 with slicks and low gears.
As far as accelerating at 160 MPH, I think this is a mute point to most street drivers with any sense. I rode a 600 horsepower Top Fuel Harley running as fast as 7.04 @ 199.68 in the quarter mile for years back in the late 80's and early to mid 90's, but I would never consider driving a C3 at 160 MPH on the street under any conditions.
My car cruises really nice in OD at 80 MPH and it accelerates very hard with the 3.07 gears. If I was going to race the car with slicks I would have 3.73 or maybe 3.90 gears. With a 3.06 first gear any lower rear gears would mean having to shift to second very quickly. Of course I would probably break everything in the back end of my 80 with slicks and low gears.
As far as accelerating at 160 MPH, I think this is a mute point to most street drivers with any sense. I rode a 600 horsepower Top Fuel Harley running as fast as 7.04 @ 199.68 in the quarter mile for years back in the late 80's and early to mid 90's, but I would never consider driving a C3 at 160 MPH on the street under any conditions.
05-04-2019, 09:00 AM
#29
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05-04-2019, 10:14 AM
#30
Melting Slicks
That was 11 yrs ago
