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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 11:17 PM
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I have been reading as much as I can about my not too uncommon problem having swapped my 77 engine for a new crate engine with Vortec heads. The area Gordon and I are working around next include accommodating a standard temperature sending unit with larger NPT threads in to the Vortec 3/8" NPT hole. I saw a post suggesting there is enough material in a standard 1/2" temp unit to turn it down to the thread size needed. I don't like the idea of putting the sensor up on the manifold and like this idea better, but wanted to ask the NPT experts if this makes sense to them and or if anyone out here has done this previously. Even Lectric Limited said they didn't have a good solution to this problem. Please weigh in if you can.
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David,

You lost me here, I'm sorry it's late. . . but if you have a sending unit that came with the engine I should be able to match calibrate the dash unit to the new engine unit.

So if you want to stick with the crate engine sending unit, just send me it and the dash unit and I should be able to set you up.

Now this would depend on the output scale of the sender being in line with that of a stock sender, but I should be able to get this real close for you. The sender units are not linear nor is the dash unit, but as long as the increase increments are close I should be able to do this.

Email me and I will explain.

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I have been reading as much as I can about my not too uncommon problem having swapped my 77 engine for a new crate engine with Vortec heads. The area Gordon and I are working around next include accommodating a standard temperature sending unit with larger NPT threads in to the Vortec 3/8" NPT hole. I saw a post suggesting there is enough material in a standard 1/2" temp unit to turn it down to the thread size needed. I don't like the idea of putting the sensor up on the manifold and like this idea better, but wanted to ask the NPT experts if this makes sense to them and or if anyone out here has done this previously. Even Lectric Limited said they didn't have a good solution to this problem. Please weigh in if you can.
Thank you and best regards,
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Yes, the stock 1/2" sending unit has enough meat to be turned down to 3/8" NPT, this I had to do with my Vortech heads. I first tried after market 3/8" units but none of the resistances were right. My buddy at work turned the trhreads on his cnc.
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David,

You lost me here, I'm sorry it's late. . . but if you have a sending unit that came with the engine I should be able to match calibrate the dash unit to the new engine unit.

So if you want to stick with the crate engine sending unit, just send me it and the dash unit and I should be able to set you up.

Now this would depend on the output scale of the sender being in line with that of a stock sender, but I should be able to get this real close for you. The sender units are not linear nor is the dash unit, but as long as the increase increments are close I should be able to do this.

Email me and I will explain.

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e-mail sent. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by cherrybombc3
Yes, the stock 1/2" sending unit has enough meat to be turned down to 3/8" NPT, this I had to do with my Vortech heads. I first tried after market 3/8" units but none of the resistances were right. My buddy at work turned the trhreads on his cnc.
I have a buddy that I will speak with this week and see what he can do to turn this one down for me. I like the idea, thank you.
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When I do this swap, I plan to just enlarge the 3/8 npt hole in the head to 1/2 npt, then if I need to replace the sending unit in the future, it won't have to be special made.
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Originally Posted by Aktbird
When I do this swap, I plan to just enlarge the 3/8 npt hole in the head to 1/2 npt, then if I need to replace the sending unit in the future, it won't have to be special made.
Good idea if the heads are off the engine. His engine is an assembled crate engine though.
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David,

You lost me here, I'm sorry it's late. . . but if you have a sending unit that came with the engine I should be able to match calibrate the dash unit to the new engine unit.

So if you want to stick with the crate engine sending unit, just send me it and the dash unit and I should be able to set you up.

Now this would depend on the output scale of the sender being in line with that of a stock sender, but I should be able to get this real close for you. The sender units are not linear nor is the dash unit, but as long as the increase increments are close I should be able to do this.

Email me and I will explain.

Willcox
This is what I did. I sent my temp dash unit to a shop to have it re-calibrated. My motor was already installed and pulling the dash was easier than pulling the head.
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You can do this if and only if the supplied sending unit fits the same charted scale as the original dash unit. I'm wondering if cutting the thickness of the sending unit will change the responce time of the sending unit and plan on testing one sometime this coming week.

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You can do this if and only if the supplied sending unit fits the same charted scale as the original dash unit. I'm wondering if cutting the thickness of the sending unit will change the responce time of the sending unit and plan on testing one sometime this coming week.

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The outside of the sending unit is just the ground. All the resistance is done on the inside so I would think that it should be the same even if it is turned down. I will be interested in your testing to see what happens.
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While the outside is just a ground, making the wall thinner just might change the response time to a temperature change. This might be a good thing not a bad one.

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I can't wait to hear the results. Thank you for your help sir.
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Sorry, I should have been clearer in my previous post. I sent my temp gauge along with a new sender to Clocks by Roger http://www.corvetteclocks.com/. This was about 10 years ago. Roger modified the guage to work with the new sender. I think he put a different resistor on the back of the gauge.
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Getting ready to turn my tmep sender down to 3/8. Did this work? was there any problems?
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What I did to solve this problem I made an adapter from 3/8" male to 1/2" female, its 2" long but not interfere anything.
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What I did to solve this problem I made an adapter from 3/8" male to 1/2" female, its 2" long but not interfere anything.
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This sounds like a good solution...did you have it calibrated after doing this as well?
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Originally Posted by Y-FLY
Getting ready to turn my tmep sender down to 3/8. Did this work? was there any problems?
Didn't work when attempted, sorry. We are going to go with a later model sending unit and calibrate it to my gauge. The theory seemed sound but the execution didn't prove to be correct.
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