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Old Aug 5, 2009 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by billla
Time to ask some very specific and detailed questions about the build. Rings seal almost instantly if they're of proper type and the bore is correctly machined - as was previously noted.
Seating really depends on the type of rings. Cast iron seat rapidly, moly take a little longer, and chrome take even longer. Yes, also depends on cylinder honing, etc but I don't think rings seat as quickly as some think. They certainly begin to wear in upon startup but complete break in instantly? I doubt it. Rings (and associated cylinder bores) should be subjected to several heat up and cool down cycles with part throttle accelerations.
In fact, except for cam/lifters, which is only an initial break in anyway, I don't know of any moving engine part that doesn't take at least a few hundred miles to wear in properly.
Yes, you can take a new engine with only minutes run time and flog it mercilessly without breakage, but that doesn't mean all moving parts are worn in completely. And yes, this is my opinion but it is based on research, lubrication data, discussions with machinists, and many years of engine experience.
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Old Aug 5, 2009 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Fscott
We did a bleed down and found two bad cylinders. Upon disassembly we found two bad pistons. the engine was running rich so I'm not sure what the problem was....ingnition? The shop is going to see if Keith Black will replace the pistons and then we'll give it another try
If you were running Keith Black hypereutectic pistons, and they were broken on the top edge of the pistons, the most likely problem was insufficient ring gap on the top rings.
The KB hypers require large ring gaps. Otherwise the rings butt and break the ring land on the piston.
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Old Aug 6, 2009 | 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tnovot
They certainly begin to wear in upon startup but complete break in instantly? I doubt it.
We'll agree to disagree.

If you ever get the chance to break in an engine on a dyno you'll hear it happen. I can't think of a single shop that does dyno break-in that doesn't basically let the temps stabilize and finish the cam break-in if a flat tappet, and then start making power runs. The engine analyzer tells you what's coming out the pipe, and the seal happens within a few minutes with moly rings.

Driveshaft's made the right call with the pistons as well - virtually always too-tight ring gap as the KBs require a wider gap than commonly used.
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