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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 09:17 PM
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On my 68, I have Stainless Steel sleeved calipers and one of them has now developed a slight leak. Car still stops perfect, no problem.
I know that everyone is now using the O-rings BUT if I wanted to rebuild the one leaking caliper with the original style rubber cups, can I still buy those or are they different from stock since they have been resleeved ?
I don't want to do all 4 calipers and I would not go to O-rings on just one caliper which is why I am asking about rebuilding only the leaking one with the orignal style rubber cups.
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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 09:56 PM
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You can buy rebuild kits at AutoZone or Advance Auto for < $15.00. I used them when I rebuilt my brakes 3 years ago and they worked fine, but they sat in the garage while I did a body-off rebuild and now the fronts are leaking again. I'm going to buy an O-ring rebuild kit this time.



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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 11:11 AM
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I don't think I would use an O ring kit on just one caliper and leave the other with lip seals either. May not really cause any harm but.....

I do know that you can mix the pairs - use O Ring types on both rears and lip seal type on both fronts or vice versa. I just got a pair of O Ring type rear calipers from VBP last week to try - I still have their original 24 year old Lip seal SS calipers on the front but I "traded in" the 24 year old rears because one was leaking a little. It was VBP that suggested the O ring type so I thought I'd give them a try.

So now I am converted half-way over to the "dark side".
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 11:38 AM
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I don't think I would use an O ring kit on just one caliper and leave the other with lip seals either. May not really cause any harm but.....
Why? Based on what?
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 01:27 PM
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Based on nothing scientific. I said I wouldn't. Doesn't mean you can't. Plese note I commented it may not cause any problems. I wouldn't know first hand because I have never done it and never would.

Personally I just feel more comfortable keeping opposing sides in like pairs. You are not talking a big dollar expense here for either kits or calipers.

Must be getting cold in Canada about now. Nice and sunny here in Florida
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 04:59 PM
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Based on nothing scientific. I said I wouldn't. Doesn't mean you can't. Plese note I commented it may not cause any problems. I wouldn't know first hand because I have never done it and never would.
So why bother posting? Most people are looking for solid advice not 'feelings'.

There's plenty of cars running around with mixed sets of S/S, non S/S, lip seal and o-ring seal calipers. There's NO evidence or technical reason that mixing causes a problem.
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
There's plenty of cars running around with mixed sets of S/S, non S/S, lip seal and o-ring seal calipers. There's NO evidence or technical reason that mixing causes a problem.
Mixing lip seal & o-ring seal pistons left to right though? I can tell you without a doubt that the o-ring pistons have quite a bit more pressure with the bore than the lip seals. Would it be enough to create a noticable difference/pull? Doubtful, especially not on a car with power brakes. But you can go ahead and put me in the camp that likes to keep components matched left to right.
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 05:39 PM
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Mixing lip seal & o-ring seal pistons left to right though?
Yes, mixed and matched any combo you can think of. A few ounces of extra force required to move an o-ring piston is nothing compared to the hundreds or thousands of pounds pressure behind the piston when the brakes are applied.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
So why bother posting? Most people are looking for solid advice not 'feelings'.

There's plenty of cars running around with mixed sets of S/S, non S/S, lip seal and o-ring seal calipers. There's NO evidence or technical reason that mixing causes a problem.
Well now that I have heard it from an expert on all things Corvette, that answers the question. Thank you.
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Well now that I have heard it from an expert on all things Corvette, that answers the question. Thank you.
*sniff*. I'm not an expert on all or even 'many' things. I just keep my mouth shut when I having nothing to offer.
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One of the easiest ways to tell if Oring calipers are installed, that I use is by the inherent drag of the brake pads over the Delco lip seals.

I don't and WON'T use Oring style calipers on my Vettes.

I had a fellow club member install a hydraboost system on his C2 Vette and during the set-up (trail and error?) period, he BLEW the Orings off his front caliper pistons. Who made the pistons? I don't know. Guldstrand Performance installed the calipers. The C2 now sports lip seal calipers and is holding up well.

I know they aren't "trick" but GM spent a lot of time and money engineering the C2/3 Vette brake system, I'll take OEM style parts for peace of mind. Actually the lip seals are WAY MORE "TRICK" than Orings are. Most of the guys who are going to post here can't even tell you the differences/advantages between the 3 versions of brake systems offerd by GM for the C2/3 Vettes.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
*sniff*. I'm not an expert on all or even 'many' things. I just keep my mouth shut when I having nothing to offer.
You have been correct on much of your advise but I'm not sure on this case!

Lip seals on one side and 'O' rings on the other, sounds like a sure recipe for a spin out, lets see what VBP has to say about that! PG.
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Originally Posted by petes74ttop
Lip seals on one side and 'O' rings on the other, sounds like a sure recipe for a spin out,


And what information are you basing this on?
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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 09:42 AM
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I remember similar advice when SS calipers were really becoming popular- don't mix them or BAD things will happen

I'm constantly amazed how many myths circulate in this hobby and how quick people are to create new ones.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
I remember similar advice when SS calipers were really becoming popular- don't mix them or BAD things will happen
Wait ... what? OK, that one is just stupid.

I'm constantly amazed how many myths circulate in this hobby and how quick people are to create new ones.
You ever paid attention to how many people that think putting high octane gasoline into their low compression beaters will make it run better?
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I'm thinking about putting a drag radial on the left rear and the same size Michelin 80,000 miler on the right. They'll be the same size, so it shouldn't affect my launch... right ? ? ?
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I'm thinking about putting a drag radial on the left rear and the same size Michelin 80,000 miler on the right. They'll be the same size, so it shouldn't affect my launch... right ? ? ?
What does that have to do with brake calipers?
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Originally Posted by bashcraft
What does that have to do with brake calipers?
Different parts, different performance, lipped / o-ring, same 'axle' ... just throwing the analogy out there...

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Originally Posted by MyRed69
Different parts, different performance, lipped / o-ring, same 'axle' ... just throwing the analogy out there...
And a bad analogy at that. There's plenty of information from the OEMs to show the different behavioural characteristics of the two tires. Even if Bubba were to try it, he'd soon find out why it was a bad idea and I'm sure we'd see him and his one tooth on CNN announcing his impending lawsuit.

There's plenty of mixed caliper sets in the field (has been for years), yet no one can come up with proof or even a reasonable theory as why it's a bad idea.
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