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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 11:50 AM
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So you're saying all caps are the same and they can be swapped from block to block without issue?

The machine shop I deal with always align hones when caps are replaced. Regardless if they're stock or splayed billet caps.
The new caps are the same. the block shift would cause the cap to be in the wrong place, hence requiring the align bore.

I'm say that since the poster has his previously align bored main cap it would be very easy to measure it and recreate an exact duplicate out of a purchased billet main cap from a vendor like Milodon.
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edit...read the whole post, now I understand

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Originally Posted by gkull
The new caps are the same. the block shift would cause the cap to be in the wrong place, hence requiring the align bore.

I'm say that since the poster has his previously align bored main cap it would be very easy to measure it and recreate an exact duplicate out of a purchased billet main cap from a vendor like Milodon.

As long as the bearing is properly sized to the crank (which it should be already) and the new cap doesn't distort the bearing, the tolerances should be fine.
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ylose
Is it an extra charge or courtesy service? might answer the "why".

Great discussion guys.
It's not a courtesy service, it's required.

Originally Posted by gkull
The new caps are the same. the block shift would cause the cap to be in the wrong place, hence requiring the align bore.
When a new block is machined, the caps are installed and the block is line honed, therefore no 2 will be exactly alike. There's too many tolerances involved.

I'll be the first to admit that I've seen a cap replaced and the person got lucky and it fit good enough to run, but that is very rare.
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bashcraft
It's not a courtesy service, it's required.



When a new block is machined, the caps are installed and the block is line honed, therefore no 2 will be exactly alike. There's too many tolerances involved.

I'll be the first to admit that I've seen a cap replaced and the person got lucky and it fit good enough to run, but that is very rare.
I don't think you are getting the idea about me saying "recreate a duplicate" means: machining the new billet cap crank saddle the same and using the same bearing.
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Originally Posted by gkull
I don't think you are getting the idea about me saying "recreate a duplicate" means: machining the new billet cap crank saddle the same and using the same bearing.
And I'm saying, that's not going to happen without line honing it on the block, unless you're going to pay thousands of dollars to have it machined.
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bashcraft
And I'm saying, that's not going to happen without line honing it on the block, unless you're going to pay thousands of dollars to have it machined.
Did the poster say this?

i have access to a cnc 3 axis machine that could take computer controlled measurments to the strictest of measurments, and make me one out of what ever metal i want..
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:13 PM
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:22 PM
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Ok, hi guys.. this is what im going to do..
Im going to pull the motor buy new main caps from milidon forged splayed.

The machine shops i deal with said this would be best.. they also said the three axis machine would work to but the cost is about the same as pulling the motor and redoing the mains,,, response was "If it was My motor i would pull it" im going to listen to them... if i had a couple grand into a run of the mill engine i would probly opt for the reweld bandaid, or new cap. but like i said im at about 13 thousand on this thing so whats another 2,200 to ensure drivability for another 200,000Miles (praying on knees)... its just a sad day in the Neptune's Corvette world... Thanks for the responses and support guys!!!
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On a Brighter note i got my hoist working and installed in my garage
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:29 PM
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I bought the Hoist used From a Chrysler Dealer ship that was going out of business for 800.00 What a steel!!!! 7000k lifting capacity,, oxy acetylene hose reel,compressed air hose reel, light reel, power cord reel,
diamond plate ramp and breaker and wire upgrade ,hydrolic fluid and some misc extras puts me at 1300 ish dollars... I love it... you guys keep a close eye on Chrysler if they go another billion in debt im sure we will all have some hoist in our garages...
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ajrothm
Damn this sux Neptune....sorry to hear this for you...

Is the cap completely broken? Just a single crack at the seal area? Post up some pics..... If it's just a crack on the outer edge and not that long, I might would try to braze/cast weld it and run the damn thing.....

Ofcourse the "right" way to fix it is a tear down, new cap, line bore and new blueprinted main bearings but.....depending on the cracks size/location.....I may either just leave it or attempt to weld it....if it's only in the seal area etc....although that sucker is just bound to leak...(the seal)...


Aj, im so sick of hearing "looks like your gunna need ANOTHER couple thousand"
i feel like selling the damn thing and buying a c5 or c6 with a Gdamn warrenty.....


i think i read some whare you are a weld inspector...??

I hope you get it fixed....if it makes you feel better, I frag'd my fresh built TH400 last weekend and have to pull the tranny out for a full teardown.....rebuild etc...$1500 down the tubes.
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 08:31 PM
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What color and year is your Vette? look here!


http://www.corvetteforum.net/c3/gkull/


gkull, that thing looks sweeet!!!! i have a love affair with vintage road race cars.. especially c3's

My vette is a 1975, Dark Steel Blue Metalic . original color with silver interior..
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Old Apr 22, 2010 | 08:43 PM
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Yup. I doubted you would even find anyone to try and fix it in the car, it has to be done right
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Originally Posted by MotorHead
Yup. I doubted you would even find anyone to try and fix it in the car, it has to be done right
Agree! you know best i bet you cold have bought a c5 with what you got in your engine.... its just to much to gamble on a "maybe it will work if your lucky"
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bashcraft
So you're saying all caps are the same and they can be swapped from block to block without issue?

The machine shop I deal with always align hones when caps are replaced. Regardless if they're stock or splayed billet caps.
IWe put on a lot of new main caps and we have to line bore them then finish with a line hone.

Rear caps can be a pain because the thrust has to be cut in and the rear seal has to be cut is.

Some times you can find a another cap that might be close enongh to line hone in but its a long shot be cause over the years I have learned GM doesn not drill the same hole twice in the same spot!!
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Originally Posted by Neptune75
Ok, hi guys.. this is what im going to do..
Im going to pull the motor buy new main caps from milidon forged splayed.
As far as I know Milidon caps are cast nodualr iron caps not forged caps or billet!!
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BLOCKMAN
As far as I know Milidon caps are cast nodualr iron caps not forged caps or billet!!
You are right I forgot that the us doesn't make steel any more! I went looking for billet main caps and Eagle seems to come up.

BLOCKMAN, I have a question for you, We had a Ford racing motor in the other day and it came with a main cap girdle. Is that more common on ford blocks than chevy?
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Old Apr 23, 2010 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gkull
You are right I forgot that the us doesn't make steel any more! I went looking for billet main caps and Eagle seems to come up.

BLOCKMAN, I have a question for you, We had a Ford racing motor in the other day and it came with a main cap girdle. Is that more common on ford blocks than chevy?
We had a 351W stroker 393 CID in the shop a few weeks ago that was used in a pulling trackor and it was having bearing issues and that to had a girdle and from what I saw the caps were still moving in the register.

The girdle mignt help from front to rear but does absolutly nothing as far as making the caps stronger as these ones were still flexing.

The Dart SHP Ford blocks come with billet caps and thats the way to go!!
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