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Old Apr 1, 2002 | 09:43 PM
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I have had contact with someone with a rebuilt engine. Based on the casting numbers and Mortec it has a 454 block and head and a 427 crank. Will this have any negative effect on the engine performance? What size engine would you consider this? A 454 based on the block or a 427 based on the crank and stroke?

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Old Apr 1, 2002 | 09:50 PM
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Same block is used for both engines, which have the same 4.25" bore. It is the different crank that determines the stroke(the distance the piston goes up and down) which can add cubic inches. Also, the 454 crank is externally balanced verses internally on the 427 crank.

Hopefully I am making myself clear. Maybe someone else can chime in.

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Old Apr 1, 2002 | 09:53 PM
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It's a 427. The main difference between a 427 and 454 is the crank. Same block. The 427 uses a shorter stroke crank.
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Old Apr 1, 2002 | 10:01 PM
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It's a 427. The main difference between a 427 and 454 is the crank. Same block. The 427 uses a shorter stroke crank.
Would you feel cheated if you purchased this engine as a 427, not number matching, and it didn't have 427 casting numbers on the heads and block?

Or a better question, would you assume (yes i know, never assume) that the engine would have 427 casting numbers?


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Old Apr 1, 2002 | 10:16 PM
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It's a 427. The main difference between a 427 and 454 is the crank. Same block. The 427 uses a shorter stroke crank.

Would you feel cheated if you purchased this engine as a 427, not number matching, and it didn't have 427 casting numbers on the heads and block?

Or a better question, would you assume (yes i know, never assume) that the engine would have 427 casting numbers?


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Cheated? I certainly would *if* I paid a 427 price. Bare 427 blocks with the "correct" numbers and dates for a 68-69 sell for as much as most complete 454s! If you didn't pay a premium for the 427, then don't worry about it. A 454 block is just as good as a 427.

There are too many 454 heads out there to know what you've got. Maybe you could post the numbers? How did you figure out that you have a 427 crank?

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Old Apr 1, 2002 | 10:32 PM
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He checked the casting number on the crank #6223 which checks out as a 427 crank. It seems the only premium he paid was for the "427 forged steel crank". Still seems a little shaky to me. Maybe I am just stuck on semantics or maybe the engine rebuilder should have made it clear what was being used.

Another question - why rebuild it with a 427 crank in the first place - why not just use a 454 crank?

[I]Also, the block is 14015445 and the heads are 6272292 .[/]

[Modified by ruskus, 2:46 AM 4/2/2002]


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Another question - why rebuild it with a 427 crank in the first place - why not just use a 454 crank?
There are a number of reasons why someone would choose a 427 over a 454. A 427 has a far more superior rod/stroke ratio which makes it a very nice revving engine. A 427 (if built properly) could regularly see RPMs in excess of 7000RPMs without breaking a sweat. There are tons of 454s running around, but 427s are a much rarer breed.

In hindsight I kind of wish I would have built a 427 instead of the 454 that I am almost finished with. A 427 is a really smooth revving engine. I wouldn't feel cheated at all I would be very pleased to own 427.
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If you were going to sell this engine or car with this engine, what would you call it? A not numbers matching 427?
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Default Re: 427/454 engine build question (ruskus)

I have had contact with someone with a rebuilt engine. Based on the casting numbers and Mortec it has a 454 block and head and a 427 crank. Will this have any negative effect on the engine performance? What size engine would you consider this? A 454 based on the block or a 427 based on the crank and stroke?

Russ
Personally, I'd take the 454 over the 427 (or preferrably a 496!). There is no replacement for displacement! You will make the same peak power at a lower rpm, and have improved low end. How can you go wrong?
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If you were going to sell this engine or car with this engine, what would you call it? A not numbers matching 427?
Yep, exactly.
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My 454 is smooth.:)
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