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torque converter
Anyone wanna advise me on which stall converter? I'm running a 383, 465hp 480tq. Cam is 235@50 duration and 540 lift. Running a 2000 stall now and it just isnt getting the job done.
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High stall crappy converters will make your life miserable! But if you buy the high efficiency $700+ 9, 9.5, 10 inch life is great.
My 700R4 equiped 383 used a non lockup 3500 rpm stall for years. I've tried a 3800 stall and 4200 stall. That more of drag racing deal because you are so high up in the power range that street tires go up in smoke when every you floor the car at slower speeds. I found the 3500 stall fun and the best compromise with my 236/242 .626/.644 lift solid roller 383
My 700R4 equiped 383 used a non lockup 3500 rpm stall for years. I've tried a 3800 stall and 4200 stall. That more of drag racing deal because you are so high up in the power range that street tires go up in smoke when every you floor the car at slower speeds. I found the 3500 stall fun and the best compromise with my 236/242 .626/.644 lift solid roller 383
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I had a $1100 Art Carr, but I would have bought the vigilanty 9.5 except that they had a 6 week waiting list.
http://www.converter.com/vigilante.htm
http://www.converter.com/vigilante.htm
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I had a similar 383 to yours and used an Art Carr Super 10", custom stalled at 2900 rpm with a flash stall of 4300 rpm......worked perfect, on the street and the strip. Ran 11.6's at the strip. I still have the same converter, but I could a more custom one for the present 427 sb. to get better performance....but it does work well with the present engine, too.
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You can get a custom converter for really reasonable prices these days and I advise you do so to keep it street friendly but perform on the strip.
PTC, EDGE, Ultimate, Transmission Specialties are all good builders that are reasonably priced. Next level up would be Coan, ATI, Art Carr
Super tight budget but still decent would be Redneck Converters and Hughes....
Stay away from off the shelf converters.....especially B&M, TCI, Jegs, Summit..... ALL ARE JUNK...
Any of the custom builders will ask you a bunch of questions about your engine, car, usage and build it accordingly. You will end up with a car that drives almost like stock until you put your foot in it and it flashes up to your peak torque RPM....
Torque converters are not where you want to cut expense.
PTC, EDGE, Ultimate, Transmission Specialties are all good builders that are reasonably priced. Next level up would be Coan, ATI, Art Carr
Super tight budget but still decent would be Redneck Converters and Hughes....
Stay away from off the shelf converters.....especially B&M, TCI, Jegs, Summit..... ALL ARE JUNK...
Any of the custom builders will ask you a bunch of questions about your engine, car, usage and build it accordingly. You will end up with a car that drives almost like stock until you put your foot in it and it flashes up to your peak torque RPM....
Torque converters are not where you want to cut expense.
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High stall crappy converters will make your life miserable! But if you buy the high efficiency $700+ 9, 9.5, 10 inch life is great.
My 700R4 equiped 383 used a non lockup 3500 rpm stall for years. I've tried a 3800 stall and 4200 stall. That more of drag racing deal because you are so high up in the power range that street tires go up in smoke when every you floor the car at slower speeds. I found the 3500 stall fun and the best compromise with my 236/242 .626/.644 lift solid roller 383
My 700R4 equiped 383 used a non lockup 3500 rpm stall for years. I've tried a 3800 stall and 4200 stall. That more of drag racing deal because you are so high up in the power range that street tires go up in smoke when every you floor the car at slower speeds. I found the 3500 stall fun and the best compromise with my 236/242 .626/.644 lift solid roller 383
Where did you pick up your 700R4? I know many people, like TCI sell them, but I don't deal with them much. Want to know who the reputable dealers are. Thanks!
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So I figured out that I should just buy one of the best highest HP sold no matter what the cost. Art carr sells 800 hp rated.
Unless you only drag race or have just one leg I'm not really sure why anybody would own a auto tranny. I had 700R4's for about 20 years. After switching it out to a tko600 I would never revert. Unless it was a modern padel shifted 6 speed auto
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FYI- If you buy anything from Art Carr Performance products you will be buying from a company that up until 5 years or so ago were known as Torco.
Torco always built decent stuff, but not high end by any means. The product line did not seem to change when they purchased the Art Carr name.
Its still not bad stuff, but just know what you are buying.
If you want to purchase a transmission or converter from the actual Art Carr, he can be found here http://www.cpttransmission.com/index.htm .
I havent used any of their parts, but would expect good quality.
Torco always built decent stuff, but not high end by any means. The product line did not seem to change when they purchased the Art Carr name.
Its still not bad stuff, but just know what you are buying.
If you want to purchase a transmission or converter from the actual Art Carr, he can be found here http://www.cpttransmission.com/index.htm .
I havent used any of their parts, but would expect good quality.
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FYI- If you buy anything from Art Carr Performance products you will be buying from a company that up until 5 years or so ago were known as Torco.
Torco always built decent stuff, but not high end by any means. The product line did not seem to change when they purchased the Art Carr name.
Its still not bad stuff, but just know what you are buying.
If you want to purchase a transmission or converter from the actual Art Carr, he can be found here http://www.cpttransmission.com/index.htm .
I havent used any of their parts, but would expect good quality.
Torco always built decent stuff, but not high end by any means. The product line did not seem to change when they purchased the Art Carr name.
Its still not bad stuff, but just know what you are buying.
If you want to purchase a transmission or converter from the actual Art Carr, he can be found here http://www.cpttransmission.com/index.htm .
I havent used any of their parts, but would expect good quality.
Yeah good call! I forgot to mention that Art Carr is not really Art Carr anymore....it's just his name. CPT is the real Art Carr... There is a lot better stuff out then Art Carr.
If I had my choice, I would go 8" ATI Treemaster, custom spec'd for my car.
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FYI- If you buy anything from Art Carr Performance products you will be buying from a company that up until 5 years or so ago were known as Torco.
Torco always built decent stuff, but not high end by any means. The product line did not seem to change when they purchased the Art Carr name.
Its still not bad stuff, but just know what you are buying.
If you want to purchase a transmission or converter from the actual Art Carr, he can be found here http://www.cpttransmission.com/index.htm .
I havent used any of their parts, but would expect good quality.
Torco always built decent stuff, but not high end by any means. The product line did not seem to change when they purchased the Art Carr name.
Its still not bad stuff, but just know what you are buying.
If you want to purchase a transmission or converter from the actual Art Carr, he can be found here http://www.cpttransmission.com/index.htm .
I havent used any of their parts, but would expect good quality.
Art Carr racing transmissions was only 5 minutes from my office from about 20 years ago until they moved away to Texas. The real Mr. Art Carr sold out to his business partners and retired. Do to **** poor financial planning Art made a new start in southern Cal. and started using his name again. Well he got sued and lost because he sold his name and biz many years ago. that is why his biz uses a different nameWhether the name holder of Art Carr or the real Art Carr was acquired by or merged with Torco I can't speculate because they moved away from here about 5 years ago.
I just had very good luck with them and it was nice that they were right down the street.
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These are not true statements. Art Carr racing transmissions was only 5 minutes from my office from about 20 years ago until they moved away to Texas. The real Mr. Art Carr sold out to his business partners and retired. Do to **** poor financial planning Art made a new start in southern Cal. and started using his name again. Well he got sued and lost because he sold his name and biz many years ago. that is why his biz uses a different name
Whether the name holder of Art Carr or the real Art Carr was acquired by or merged with Torco I can't speculate because they moved away from here about 5 years ago.
I just had very good luck with them and it was nice that they were right down the street.
Art Carr racing transmissions was only 5 minutes from my office from about 20 years ago until they moved away to Texas. The real Mr. Art Carr sold out to his business partners and retired. Do to **** poor financial planning Art made a new start in southern Cal. and started using his name again. Well he got sued and lost because he sold his name and biz many years ago. that is why his biz uses a different nameWhether the name holder of Art Carr or the real Art Carr was acquired by or merged with Torco I can't speculate because they moved away from here about 5 years ago.
I just had very good luck with them and it was nice that they were right down the street.
If you buy a converter from the Art Carr Performance Products of today, you will be buying from the same company that manufactured Torco converters.
They are also very closely related with the guys that sell Redneck converters.
If you look up who the Redneck Performance website is regitered to, you will find Alan Hartmann. His email address is ahartman@artcarr.com
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I may not have had the specific details perfect, but what I posted is not lies either.
If you buy a converter from the Art Carr Performance Products of today, you will be buying from the same company that manufactured Torco converters.
They are also very closely related with the guys that sell Redneck converters.
If you look up who the Redneck Performance website is regitered to, you will find Alan Hartmann. His email address is ahartman@artcarr.com
If you buy a converter from the Art Carr Performance Products of today, you will be buying from the same company that manufactured Torco converters.
They are also very closely related with the guys that sell Redneck converters.
If you look up who the Redneck Performance website is regitered to, you will find Alan Hartmann. His email address is ahartman@artcarr.com
The racers in c-4 and c-5 were really big on the Vigilanty and they are a heck of buy for any stall you request in the 9.5 inch for something around $700
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I hate fixing things and the down time. I wasted a whole Vette driving summer pulling my 700R4 and having it repaired twice under warranty. Because TCI's turn around time was over a month.
So I figured out that I should just buy one of the best highest HP sold no matter what the cost. Art carr sells 800 hp rated.
Unless you only drag race or have just one leg I'm not really sure why anybody would own a auto tranny. I had 700R4's for about 20 years. After switching it out to a tko600 I would never revert. Unless it was a modern padel shifted 6 speed auto
So I figured out that I should just buy one of the best highest HP sold no matter what the cost. Art carr sells 800 hp rated.
Unless you only drag race or have just one leg I'm not really sure why anybody would own a auto tranny. I had 700R4's for about 20 years. After switching it out to a tko600 I would never revert. Unless it was a modern padel shifted 6 speed auto
Thanks for the reply. Have you seen this? ( It is pricey! )
6X Six Speed Transmission Package; GM Bellhousing & Paddle Shifter
http://www.compperformancegroupstore...gory_Code=6XGM
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Thanks for the reply. Have you seen this? ( It is pricey! )
6X Six Speed Transmission Package; GM Bellhousing & Paddle Shifter
http://www.compperformancegroupstore...gory_Code=6XGM
6X Six Speed Transmission Package; GM Bellhousing & Paddle Shifter
http://www.compperformancegroupstore...gory_Code=6XGM
Get 3.73 rear end and about 700 hp 496 - 540 ci. Fun cost money that is not much more than an auto to manual conversion with a TKO600. My keisler kit was $4750 and then add in all the small parts and a real racing clutch setup6X Six Speed Transmission Package; GM Bellhousing & Paddle Shifter
6X Six Speed Transmission Package; GM Bellhousing & Paddle Shifter
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Jim beatty at ATI the best I've seen. he was the first to furnace braze a converter.i ran one of his converters on my drag car for three years then put it in my street car for100k miles never a problem
