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Old Jan 22, 2011 | 08:02 PM
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I just installed a set of Aluminum heads on my 1975 small block. The motor is slightly built with a moderate cam, headers, high rise and 650 cfm carb. I was told I should expect a 50 hp increase from the heads. I don't seem to hardly notice any difference at all. My timing is at 8 which makes my total advance at 36. I was told to go to 10 on the initial but I'm afraid that will take the full advance above 36. I was told that I shouldn't exceed 36 total. I live at 4600 ft elevation and am running 87 octane. Any suggestions on the timing or fuel or anything. Thanks in advance.
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how are you checking your timing with or without vacuum connected?
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how are you checking your timing with or without vacuum connected?
Checking it with vacuum disconnected
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Old Jan 22, 2011 | 08:29 PM
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How are you reading total timing?
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How are you reading total timing?
Not sure if I understand the question, sorry.
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Are you using an advance timing light (dial back or digital) or are you using a timing tape on your harmonic balancer with a standard induction timing light?
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Old Jan 22, 2011 | 08:53 PM
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Are you using an advance timing light (dial back or digital) or are you using a timing tape on your harmonic balancer with a standard induction timing light?
Its a very high end digital.
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Old Jan 22, 2011 | 08:59 PM
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So you are getting 28 degrees out of your mechanical advance? Should be about 14. Are you sure the vacuum advance is disconnected?
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Old Jan 22, 2011 | 09:02 PM
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So you are getting 28 degrees out of your mechanical advance? Should be about 14. Are you sure the vacuum advance is disconnected?
Yep, sure its dis-connected. What should total advance be? 36?
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I run my BB at 34 and my initial falls in at 15, stock points distributor. I've run the engine at 38 and it wants more, but that fits neither my style nor my pocketbook. Why don't you try adding one degree at a time until you hear a rattle under load with your 87 octane? Then back it down one degree...or try 93 octane. Your engine will tell you the best timing setting, regardless of the digital number.
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Originally Posted by Faster Rat
I run my BB at 34 and my initial falls in at 15, stock points distributor. I've run the engine at 38 and it wants more, but that fits neither my style nor my pocketbook. Why don't you try adding one degree at a time until you hear a rattle under load with your 87 octane? Then back it down one degree...or try 93 octane. Your engine will tell you the best timing setting, regardless of the digital number.
Sounds like a plan, Do you think I should run high octane and check the difference?
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Yep, sure its dis-connected. What should total advance be? 36?
My mistake, mechanical advance should be about 24. So, you are little over. Perhaps something is worn in the distributor. Yes, timing should be at 36 with base and mechanical advance with the engine revved to make sure all the mechanical advance is in. With the vac, it should not exceed 52.
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My mistake, mechanical advance should be about 24. So, you are little over. Perhaps something is worn in the distributor. Yes, timing should be at 36 with base and mechanical advance with the engine revved to make sure all the mechanical advance is in. With the vac, it should not exceed 52.
Thanks for the help. I'll do some testing and see what happens!
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Originally Posted by trainor
Sounds like a plan, Do you think I should run high octane and check the difference?
You've spent money on increasing the performance of your engine. Unless your car is a daily driver, the increased cost of fuel is not a big issue. I would ask you what compression ratio you have, but I'm not sure what mine is either...exactly.

You won't see 52 total with the vacuum advance connected. It is just a theoretical number. Vacuum advance decreases as the engine speed is increased from idle, which adds centrifugal advance. They work together to optimize engine performance thru out the rpm range. By 3000 rpm you should have all centrifugal plus initial, but no vacuum. A lack of WOT performance is not a vacuum advance issue. The L88 did not even have a functioning vacuum advance canister and can run as much as 42 degrees total timing...just not on 87 or 93 octane with 10% corn juice.

Make sure you have no centrifugal at idle. I tried changing my springs but all 3 sizes in the Mr. Gasket curve kit allowed the weights to move out at idle. Ended up putting the original factory springs back in.
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