Borgeson Steering Box Upgrade ?
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From: Victor Harbor SA
Borgeson Steering Box Upgrade ?
Just been reading about the Borgeson Delphi 600 Steering Box Upgrade..
A 12.7:1 ratio rather than standard 16:1 ratio.
Lots of different kits out there in Vette land.
Anyone tried one of these steering boxes ?
Or any other brand ?
Here is a link -
http://www.borgeson.com/xcart/home.php?cat=97
Cheers.
A 12.7:1 ratio rather than standard 16:1 ratio.
Lots of different kits out there in Vette land.
Anyone tried one of these steering boxes ?
Or any other brand ?
Here is a link -
http://www.borgeson.com/xcart/home.php?cat=97
Cheers.
Last edited by Luke in SA; Sep 13, 2011 at 11:40 AM.
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The increased handling and precision of control with MODERN TIRES on the car, is greatly appreciated.....
if the knowledge of the Borgeson or other similar Jeep box was had at the time, I would have done that instead of the rack install, just plainly simpler....but I put in a rack with similar results ten years ago....2.7 turns lock to lock instead of the 3.7 turns with stock systems.....
if the knowledge of the Borgeson or other similar Jeep box was had at the time, I would have done that instead of the rack install, just plainly simpler....but I put in a rack with similar results ten years ago....2.7 turns lock to lock instead of the 3.7 turns with stock systems.....
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Works great. I have one on my car. I did an article for the old Corvette Enthusiast last year covering the install.
Do a search over in the C-2 section. There have been quite a few folks using them.
JIM
Do a search over in the C-2 section. There have been quite a few folks using them.
JIM
Drifting
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Unbelievable difference, but I was going from manual steering. Quiet, no leaks, better ratio, tight, old-school look. Solid product and the install would have gone smoothly if not for: 1) Brake line re-route ('68 only issue, I believe), 2) getting the ball stud out of my *#$@ Pittman arm, 3) Pulley alignment issue with NOM. If you have headers, you may need to drop, the left side to get the pittman arm off. Removal would make bolting the gear box up much easier. I've heard of others needing to dimple the #1 pipe. I didn't need to on Hooker Super Comps.
The only other problem I had was the gear/pittman arm spline alignment. Seemed to be more trouble than it should have been. It took some careful filing and many tries to get the splines fully engaged. Had the same trouble with original Pittman arm and an aftermaket one.
Another potential headache (not product related) I've heard of is getting your steering column collapsed. I had zero trouble here.
Get an alignment when you are done.
Overall, one of the best upgrades I've done.
The only other problem I had was the gear/pittman arm spline alignment. Seemed to be more trouble than it should have been. It took some careful filing and many tries to get the splines fully engaged. Had the same trouble with original Pittman arm and an aftermaket one.
Another potential headache (not product related) I've heard of is getting your steering column collapsed. I had zero trouble here.
Get an alignment when you are done.
Overall, one of the best upgrades I've done.
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Luke_ I have this installed in my 75. My entire stock system was worn out. A leaking/gooey mess. This really cleans things up underneath. The car has a noticeable improvement in the steering ratio. The car tracks straight and true, can steer with a finger.
I went this route as I felt even if I was to rebuild the stock system, it would inevitably leak again.
Some have reported good feedback having the stock box rebuilt/blueprinted by a forum member, who's name currently escapes me.
Good luck in whatever way you choose.
I went this route as I felt even if I was to rebuild the stock system, it would inevitably leak again.
Some have reported good feedback having the stock box rebuilt/blueprinted by a forum member, who's name currently escapes me.
Good luck in whatever way you choose.
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I too have converted from manual steering to the Borgeson system in my '69. Hooker Super Comp headers, no problem. The front suspension had all the bushings replaced (rubber) new HD tie-rod and ends, new ball joints, new idler arm, new springs. The steering is very fast, positive, and tight. I highly recommend it.
427Hotrod: Your writeup in Corvette Enthusiast was far superior to the one just published in Vette.
427Hotrod: Your writeup in Corvette Enthusiast was far superior to the one just published in Vette
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Thanks...I really appreciate it!
Wait till you see the one I'm doing next on a Holley EFI TBI system we just installed on a '65 Vette with a nasty 388" motor. It will definitely NOT be your typical magazine article!!
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I just received mine about a week ago. Installing it as part of an entire front suspension and steering rebuild. I sure am going to miss my powersteering leak on the garage floor.
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[QUOTE=JB46;1578689478]Luke_ I have this installed in my 75. My entire stock system was worn out. A leaking/gooey mess. This really cleans things up underneath. The car has a noticeable improvement in the steering ratio. The car tracks straight and true, can steer with a finger.
I went this route as I felt even if I was to rebuild the stock system, it would inevitably leak again.
Some have reported good feedback having the stock box rebuilt/blueprinted by a forum member, who's name currently escapes me.
OEM box custom blueprinted/rebuilt by gtr1999-Gary Ramadei-zero play, no leaks- better than when new-no desire now for any other steering mechanism!
I went this route as I felt even if I was to rebuild the stock system, it would inevitably leak again.
Some have reported good feedback having the stock box rebuilt/blueprinted by a forum member, who's name currently escapes me.
OEM box custom blueprinted/rebuilt by gtr1999-Gary Ramadei-zero play, no leaks- better than when new-no desire now for any other steering mechanism!
Burning Brakes
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Has anybody installed this on a car with hooker headers and side pipes? I'm not sure if they're the same headers as the super comps??
I've had my front end rebuilt, new a arm bushings, bearings, ball joints, bearings etc and I still have a lot of free play in my steering box. I even installed a rebuilt box from a vendor (not Gary, I wish I would have went that route) and I still have free play going into the box.
I'm debating on the Borgeson box before I replace the control valve, hoses and cylinder.
I've had my front end rebuilt, new a arm bushings, bearings, ball joints, bearings etc and I still have a lot of free play in my steering box. I even installed a rebuilt box from a vendor (not Gary, I wish I would have went that route) and I still have free play going into the box.
I'm debating on the Borgeson box before I replace the control valve, hoses and cylinder.
Le Mans Master
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Aussie John is in the USA right now, going to attend SEMA show in Las Vegas. His bussiness is Pro Steer Down Under and he has a website and inventory in country already. I'll try to let him know your in the market. He usually has his brother running the show for his once a year USA visit.
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Yes, definitely let aussiejohn know you're in the market for one of these steerring boxes
Here's the link to my install
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...g-install.html
Here's the link to my install
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...g-install.html
Drifting
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Thanks James and Eric.
Luke in SA,
Yes, I can help you out, I have several in stock and personally fitted one to my '74 coupe. I did it with the car up on jack stands and would not recommend that, use a hoist. I'm in the USA right now and will be on the Borgeson stand for much of the SEMA Show to learn all the new info on their range of products.
Rose and I will be taking a much needed break after the show, but I'll be back in Melbourne November 24, so contact me then if you wish.
You can look up my website at www.pro-steer.com.au and it has my contact details.
Hope to speak to you next month.
Regards from Down Under (or should that be "up over?")
aussiejohn
Yes, I can help you out, I have several in stock and personally fitted one to my '74 coupe. I did it with the car up on jack stands and would not recommend that, use a hoist. I'm in the USA right now and will be on the Borgeson stand for much of the SEMA Show to learn all the new info on their range of products.
Rose and I will be taking a much needed break after the show, but I'll be back in Melbourne November 24, so contact me then if you wish.
You can look up my website at www.pro-steer.com.au and it has my contact details.
Hope to speak to you next month.
Regards from Down Under (or should that be "up over?")
aussiejohn