Quadrajet Questions
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Hi Ben
Hi Jim,
Haven't run across you on the forum before.
It's also nice to see another person who's had similiar experiences regarding Q-jets. I can't recall all the times I've been poo-poo'd by people when I suggest they use a Q-jet over a Holley. Crisper throttle response, better mileage, and more overall horsepower.
I haven't played with testing carbs on a dyno in about 20 years, but one instance that does come to mind was comparing a Holley 750 to a qjet on a 400 SBC. In this case, the Holley did best the qjet by something like 10 peak hp, BUT the qjet beat it soundly in mid-range by something like 35 hp. It was pretty eye opening.
Haven't run across you on the forum before.
It's also nice to see another person who's had similiar experiences regarding Q-jets. I can't recall all the times I've been poo-poo'd by people when I suggest they use a Q-jet over a Holley. Crisper throttle response, better mileage, and more overall horsepower.
I haven't played with testing carbs on a dyno in about 20 years, but one instance that does come to mind was comparing a Holley 750 to a qjet on a 400 SBC. In this case, the Holley did best the qjet by something like 10 peak hp, BUT the qjet beat it soundly in mid-range by something like 35 hp. It was pretty eye opening.
Thanks for speaking up
I don't post often I do read alot of the post on here though, kind of speak little listen alot thing.
I figured someone would comment sooner or later with the same results I had. What is amusing I never said anything about the numbers and you pretty much hit the nail on the head
Right about the torque curve too, very long and flat (amazing what some creative linkage adjusting will do)
And for the record it can be done with basic hand tools and a $15.00 kit in about four hours
I don't like being a jack A$$ to people but I like being called a liar even
less, that kind of crap runs pretty deep with me.
Hope you had a great Turkey day, Jim
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Hey Jim,
anytime you get to share God's word on a forum it's a great thread
I'm glad to hear your wife is recovered.
Life is going along and Bamm!!! the enemy has to intervene.
I thank you and all who have guided me in this Q-jet thread.
I'll let you know how I make out and if I'm stumped along the way I'll take you up on the PM for advise.
Marshal
anytime you get to share God's word on a forum it's a great thread
I'm glad to hear your wife is recovered.
Life is going along and Bamm!!! the enemy has to intervene.
I thank you and all who have guided me in this Q-jet thread.
I'll let you know how I make out and if I'm stumped along the way I'll take you up on the PM for advise.
Marshal
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So what your saying is the 1000s of racers on the track have been using the wrong carb all this time and should get rid of the Holley and run a quadrajet?
If you buy a 650 double pumper and compare it on a car at the track, the quad is not going to run better.
Iv'e tried it several time and have been let down by the mighty quad.
I see you have to use the word "most" in your sentence to cover the rebuttal awarded to you but A properly prepared quad takes way more work to equal a Holley than its worth when you can get a Holley, do very little to it and run circles around a quad.
And if you could refrain from reciting the bible on a forum as I refrain from talking cars in church.
If you buy a 650 double pumper and compare it on a car at the track, the quad is not going to run better.
Iv'e tried it several time and have been let down by the mighty quad.
A Q-jet when properly prepared will make more horsepower than most professional Holley builders can deliver and won't burn your eyes when it idles :-)
anytime you get to share God's word on a forum it's a great thread
Last edited by Tim H; Nov 29, 2011 at 09:11 PM.
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Tim,
You must have read Zig Zigler's book on how to win freinds and influence people, I see you do that quite a bit on the forum.
First, there is more to peak performance than simply bolting on another part. Going fast and winning these days has turned into a science.
Personally I am sorry you've had bad experience with the Q-Jets. Guys like you are who I spoke about in one of my previous post about trying to prevent the average guy from being taken advantage of.
You should have bought a carburetor from me when I was selling them (I would have probably even helped you out on the price). Then we wouldn't be having this exchange.
Just for the record I sold my carbs with a buy back gaurantee. Everybody that bought them knew that if it did not perform as I said, I would buy it back. About 40% of them were sold to engine builders with Dynos, I never had to buy one back.
When I said most I was trying to be humble, you seem to know everything else, you figure that statement out. Come to think about it as much as you know , you have got to be some distant kin to my mother in law...
Just to clear up some things for the record, I consider 4 hours worth of work, with the investment in a $15.00 kit minimal. Some people just don't have $500.00 laying around.
I know you have heard the expression " necesscity is the mother of all inventions" I guess the same could be said for performance and going faster, factor that in with the fact that some people hate to lose and great things happen.
For your own personal gain, (and this is not from the bible, I'll get to that in a minute) just remember going forward, success in any endeavor is in the details.
As for me, from now on you can put me on your ignore list as you have other people. They were glad you did too.
I have really wasted more time replying to your nonsense than I should have hoping to make a friend out of you. Everybody has there limit though.
I know you have your own beliefs and that s ok. That's what makes this country the greatest on earth.
So in the future If you are looking for someone to argue with I'm not your guy. After the personal tribulations I have had in my life I have figured out there are better things to do with my time.
Another bit of advice, anyone can accomplish things with lingering negative results. Very few people can accomplish things with only an all encompassing postive outcome. This takes a creative mind in most instances.
As for my biblical quotes, until they kick me off the Corvette Forum for it you are either going to have to not read my post or block me as I suggested before.
Another bit of biblical wisdom " I am sure You have never lit a candle and stuck it under a dish; well GOD didn't either.
You don't have to be a believer today but one day you will.
Phillipians 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
As for talking cars in church, I have plenty of friends at church that like cars.
Enjoyed the exchange, Jim
You must have read Zig Zigler's book on how to win freinds and influence people, I see you do that quite a bit on the forum.
First, there is more to peak performance than simply bolting on another part. Going fast and winning these days has turned into a science.
Personally I am sorry you've had bad experience with the Q-Jets. Guys like you are who I spoke about in one of my previous post about trying to prevent the average guy from being taken advantage of.
You should have bought a carburetor from me when I was selling them (I would have probably even helped you out on the price). Then we wouldn't be having this exchange.
Just for the record I sold my carbs with a buy back gaurantee. Everybody that bought them knew that if it did not perform as I said, I would buy it back. About 40% of them were sold to engine builders with Dynos, I never had to buy one back.
When I said most I was trying to be humble, you seem to know everything else, you figure that statement out. Come to think about it as much as you know , you have got to be some distant kin to my mother in law...
Just to clear up some things for the record, I consider 4 hours worth of work, with the investment in a $15.00 kit minimal. Some people just don't have $500.00 laying around.
I know you have heard the expression " necesscity is the mother of all inventions" I guess the same could be said for performance and going faster, factor that in with the fact that some people hate to lose and great things happen.
For your own personal gain, (and this is not from the bible, I'll get to that in a minute) just remember going forward, success in any endeavor is in the details.
As for me, from now on you can put me on your ignore list as you have other people. They were glad you did too.
I have really wasted more time replying to your nonsense than I should have hoping to make a friend out of you. Everybody has there limit though.
I know you have your own beliefs and that s ok. That's what makes this country the greatest on earth.
So in the future If you are looking for someone to argue with I'm not your guy. After the personal tribulations I have had in my life I have figured out there are better things to do with my time.
Another bit of advice, anyone can accomplish things with lingering negative results. Very few people can accomplish things with only an all encompassing postive outcome. This takes a creative mind in most instances.
As for my biblical quotes, until they kick me off the Corvette Forum for it you are either going to have to not read my post or block me as I suggested before.
Another bit of biblical wisdom " I am sure You have never lit a candle and stuck it under a dish; well GOD didn't either.
You don't have to be a believer today but one day you will.
Phillipians 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
As for talking cars in church, I have plenty of friends at church that like cars.
Enjoyed the exchange, Jim
Last edited by jimboscarbs; Nov 30, 2011 at 09:54 PM.
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Tim,
You must have read Zig Zigler's book on how to win freinds and influence people, I see you do that quite a bit on the forum.Im not on this forum to make friends.
First, there is more to peak performance than simply bolting on another part. Going fast and winning these days has turned into a science. No it hasn't, some people just have to make a paper trail because they can't believe their eyes with the proof thats put in front of them.
Personally I am sorry you've had bad experience with the Q-Jets. I haven't had any bad experiences with them, just about what I expected was experienced with them "lack luster" performance"Guys like you are who I spoke about in one of my previous post about trying to prevent the average guy from being taken advantage of.
You should have bought a carburetor from me when I was selling them (I would have probably even helped you out on the price). Then we wouldn't be having this exchange. If I don't like quads , then I don't like quads you can't add sugar too it im not a kid.
Just for the record I sold my carbs with a buy back gaurantee. Everybody that bought them knew that if it did not perform as I said, I would buy it back. About 40% of them were sold to engine builders with Dynos, I never had to buy one back. Thats because they settled for them without comparing them to a Holley.
When I said most I was trying to be humble, you seem to know everything else, you figure that statement out. Come to think about it as much as you know , you have got to be some distant kin to my mother in law... what you let yourself be related to is your problem.
Just to clear up some things for the record, I consider 4 hours worth of work, with the investment in a $15.00 kit minimal. Some people just don't have $500.00 laying around. 4 hours worth of work? you can bolt a Holley on in 15 mins and be going down the track faster!
I know you have heard the expression " necesscity is the mother of all inventions" I guess the same could be said for performance and going faster, factor that in with the fact that some people hate to lose and great things happen. Yea what that means is if you can't buy a good carburater then you have to settle for what you think is good enough.
For your own personal gain, (and this is not from the bible, I'll get to that in a minute) just remember going forward, success in any endeavor is in the details. Your right, when you order that new Holley from Summit, remember the throttle cable bracket!
As for me, from now on you can put me on your ignore list as you have other people. They were glad you did too. When you start to waste my time trying to convince me about what I know is better puts you about 1 step away from just that.
I have really wasted more time replying to your nonsense than I should have hoping to make a friend out of you. Everybody has there limit though. Its your dime.
I know you have your own beliefs and that s ok. That's what makes this country the greatest on earth.
So in the future If you are looking for someone to argue with I'm not your guy. After the personal tribulations I have had in my life I have figured out there are better things to do with my time. Your doing a pretty good job of it.
Another bit of advice, anyone can accomplish things with lingering negative results. Very few people can accomplish things with only an all encompassing postive outcome. This takes a creative mind in most instances. it don't take much to get positive results pushing a Chevy down the track.
As for my biblical quotes, until they kick me off the Corvette Forum for it you are either going to have to not read my post or block me as I suggested before. I think when someone always has to quote the bible to others, in wrong places that they are just reassuring themselves about something hidden in their life.
Another bit of biblical wisdom " I am sure You have never lit a candle and stuck it under a dish; well GOD didn't either. Really, I bet he never threw salt over his shoulder and sucked on a lime either?
You don't have to be a believer today but one day you will.
Phillipians 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
As for talking cars in church, I have plenty of friends at church that like cars. Hippocrates
Enjoyed the exchange, Jim
You must have read Zig Zigler's book on how to win freinds and influence people, I see you do that quite a bit on the forum.Im not on this forum to make friends.
First, there is more to peak performance than simply bolting on another part. Going fast and winning these days has turned into a science. No it hasn't, some people just have to make a paper trail because they can't believe their eyes with the proof thats put in front of them.
Personally I am sorry you've had bad experience with the Q-Jets. I haven't had any bad experiences with them, just about what I expected was experienced with them "lack luster" performance"Guys like you are who I spoke about in one of my previous post about trying to prevent the average guy from being taken advantage of.
You should have bought a carburetor from me when I was selling them (I would have probably even helped you out on the price). Then we wouldn't be having this exchange. If I don't like quads , then I don't like quads you can't add sugar too it im not a kid.
Just for the record I sold my carbs with a buy back gaurantee. Everybody that bought them knew that if it did not perform as I said, I would buy it back. About 40% of them were sold to engine builders with Dynos, I never had to buy one back. Thats because they settled for them without comparing them to a Holley.
When I said most I was trying to be humble, you seem to know everything else, you figure that statement out. Come to think about it as much as you know , you have got to be some distant kin to my mother in law... what you let yourself be related to is your problem.
Just to clear up some things for the record, I consider 4 hours worth of work, with the investment in a $15.00 kit minimal. Some people just don't have $500.00 laying around. 4 hours worth of work? you can bolt a Holley on in 15 mins and be going down the track faster!
I know you have heard the expression " necesscity is the mother of all inventions" I guess the same could be said for performance and going faster, factor that in with the fact that some people hate to lose and great things happen. Yea what that means is if you can't buy a good carburater then you have to settle for what you think is good enough.
For your own personal gain, (and this is not from the bible, I'll get to that in a minute) just remember going forward, success in any endeavor is in the details. Your right, when you order that new Holley from Summit, remember the throttle cable bracket!
As for me, from now on you can put me on your ignore list as you have other people. They were glad you did too. When you start to waste my time trying to convince me about what I know is better puts you about 1 step away from just that.
I have really wasted more time replying to your nonsense than I should have hoping to make a friend out of you. Everybody has there limit though. Its your dime.
I know you have your own beliefs and that s ok. That's what makes this country the greatest on earth.
So in the future If you are looking for someone to argue with I'm not your guy. After the personal tribulations I have had in my life I have figured out there are better things to do with my time. Your doing a pretty good job of it.
Another bit of advice, anyone can accomplish things with lingering negative results. Very few people can accomplish things with only an all encompassing postive outcome. This takes a creative mind in most instances. it don't take much to get positive results pushing a Chevy down the track.
As for my biblical quotes, until they kick me off the Corvette Forum for it you are either going to have to not read my post or block me as I suggested before. I think when someone always has to quote the bible to others, in wrong places that they are just reassuring themselves about something hidden in their life.
Another bit of biblical wisdom " I am sure You have never lit a candle and stuck it under a dish; well GOD didn't either. Really, I bet he never threw salt over his shoulder and sucked on a lime either?
You don't have to be a believer today but one day you will.
Phillipians 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
As for talking cars in church, I have plenty of friends at church that like cars. Hippocrates
Enjoyed the exchange, Jim
Then you guys always have to state your fact sheet but holleys prove themselves on the millions engine that have upgraded from baseline stock.
you can spend countless hours building and tuning to prove a mute point but then get angry when someone can just bolt on a Holley right out of the box, adjust the floats, air idle screws and curb idle and blow away your labor of love. FACT!!!!!
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Tim,
I learned humbility late in life.
I would never go back to the old self.
The forum is a form of fellowship about old cars.
If another member wishes to share a blessing via the word
I would gladly accept his gift as an act of kindness and wisdom.
If we all walked in the word there would be more accomplished through
knowledge and less bickering.
Jim has had success with the q-jet and some chose the Holley.
It's the old Ford/Chevy pissing match I guess.
I'm not in Jim's corner I'm just sharing some knowledge it took me half
a century to learn and practice.
We are blessed to have these cars in light of the present economy.
Some people are losing their jobs/homes before Christmas and we have the luxury to argue vanilla or chocolate.
I drive me vette to church and Gods blessing (vette) allows me to fellowship with others.
Thank you both for your responses to my orig. thread.
Merry Christmas all!!!!!!
Marshal
I learned humbility late in life.
I would never go back to the old self.
The forum is a form of fellowship about old cars.
If another member wishes to share a blessing via the word
I would gladly accept his gift as an act of kindness and wisdom.
If we all walked in the word there would be more accomplished through
knowledge and less bickering.
Jim has had success with the q-jet and some chose the Holley.
It's the old Ford/Chevy pissing match I guess.
I'm not in Jim's corner I'm just sharing some knowledge it took me half
a century to learn and practice.
We are blessed to have these cars in light of the present economy.
Some people are losing their jobs/homes before Christmas and we have the luxury to argue vanilla or chocolate.
I drive me vette to church and Gods blessing (vette) allows me to fellowship with others.
Thank you both for your responses to my orig. thread.
Merry Christmas all!!!!!!
Marshal
