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Old May 12, 2002 | 03:56 PM
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Just finishing up rebuilding the rear calipers and was wondering if anyone used anything on the outer piston seals to seal them in better? These are just a tap fit but they will pop out without much effort,sometimes as I was tapping the other piston in.
I can go back and seal if necessary because I have to get some gr8 7/16-20 caliper bolts. I was going to reuse the originals but sheared one off trying to get to 130 ft/lbs :smash: :eek:
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Old May 12, 2002 | 04:07 PM
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are you sure it needs that much foot pounds?
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Gary,

The article "Big Block From Hell" and, I believe, the newer service manuals recommend the use of RTV to keep dust away from the bores.

That article also mentions that 130 ft-lb is the figure for the front calipers (which have larger bolts), and that the manuals incorrectly give that as the spec for rear calipers as well, causing some people a lot of aggravation and hair loss... :D (I torqued those bolts to 70 ft-lb.)

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Old May 12, 2002 | 06:48 PM
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Pedro,
That would explain things :confused: I checked the GM service manual for the REAR caliper bolts and it's 130 ft/lbs in the 1972 manual and 70ft/lbs to mount them? In the past I would just tighten them with a wrench until tight and never had a problem- so much for the "book" :rolleyes:
I checked the '69 GM service manual and it was the same, then checked another vette manual for 66-79 and htat said 60 for hte rear 130 for the fronts:mad to top it off I stoppe dto get 7/16-20 r 8's and they only had gr5's, time to call it a day. I think I have socket head cap screw that are rated gr as a backup.
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Old May 12, 2002 | 10:28 PM
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Gary,

That sucks!

That 130 ft-lb for a 7/16 bolt is ludicrous, but it's in all the old manuals, including the '74. Here's a quote from the article I mentioned, to whoever is interested:

Another weakness is the secondary, "dust boot" which is only marginally effective. Abrasive material can work around the inner edge of the boot and lodge in the space between the caliper bore wall, the brake piston and both seals. As the brake pad wears, the piston slowly moves outward. The primary seal moves along the caliper bore trapping brake dust, or whatever, under the seal. Over time, this can abrade the seal enough that it begins to leak.

If the car sees use where salt is used to melt road ice, salt finds its way around the secondary seal. The caliper bore beyond the primary seal corrodes in short time due to the reactiveness of the salt. As the brake pads wear and the seals move out, they encounter the salt-induced pits and begin to leak.

It took 14 years, but Chevrolet indirectly admitted the secondary seal problem. Starting in 1979, they recommend adding beads of RTV silicone sealer in the secondary seal groove on each brake piston and, after the piston assembly has been installed, over the gap between the dust boot’s outer ring and the caliper half.

(...)

Earlier we discussed at length the substandard sealing system used on the ’65-’82 brake pistons. In the last few years of that platform’s production, Chevrolet became aware of this problem and in factory Service Manuals for the ‘79-’82 model years, recommend a modification using silicone RTV sealer.

We disassembled each caliper, carefully pried out its dust boots, removed the piston assemblies and performed this field fix. A bead of Valco Cincinnati Silicone Sealer was applied to the groove into which the outer piston seal or "dust boot" seats and, once the piston assembly has been installed into the caliper half, you apply a bead of RTV to the parting line between the cast iron of the caliper and the dust boot. Valco Silicone comes in several colors and we used silver because it matched the silver coating on the Vette Brake and Products calipers.

Then, we reassembled the calipers. Use a torque wrench when tightening brake caliper cross bolts. Bolts on front calipers must be tightened to 130 ft-lbs. and bolts on rears to 60 ft-lbs. Many books (including some factory manuals) have incomplete torque specifications for the cross bolts–sometimes only the front number is listed. Inadvertently tightening the rear cross bolts to the front figure will damage the calipers.

Even if you do not disassemble calipers to RTV the pistons; we suggest checking cross bolt torque. Many rebuilders use non-torque sensing, impact wrenches to tighten the bolts. They will tell you they adjust the impact such that it tightens the bolt to a specific torque, but that method of controlling bolt tightness is inaccurate. Over the years, we have checked many rebuilt calipers and found bolts as much as 50% under the recommended specification.

Incorrectly tightened cross bolts pose a substantial safety problem. The caliper flexing that results from normal brake use will cause undertightened bolts to loosen. Eventually, the caliper halves separate and the o-ring sealing the brake fluid passage running across the caliper blows out causing a massive fluid leak. This is most likely to happen under maximum braking, so a failure of this nature would be catastrophic causing loss of control of the vehicle. Regardless of the source of the brake calipers; check the torque of all cross bolts.
Here's the link to the whole article:
http://www.idavette.net/hib/vette_bbfh.htm

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Thanks Pedro,
I didn't see that before. I don't think I damaged the caliper only the bolt. Iuse silicone onthe outer boot seams to help seal them. There wasn't any on them before, these are SSBC calipers.
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