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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 03:17 PM
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I would like to preface my question by saying that I am not being sarcastic, I genuinely don't understand something, and I am wondering if somebody can enlighten me about it. OK, here goes nuthin'.......

I have noticed that some people like to install different diameter wheels on their C3 'vettes, for example, 17" in front, 18" in back. What is the reason for doing this?


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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 03:30 PM
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Maybe an 18 size on the back wont work with the front turn radius.
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Maybe an 18 size on the back wont work with the front turn radius.
I'm not sure I get what ya mean, Tim, but if it's what I think ya mean, wouldn't that have more to do with the width of the wheel and tire combo, and the diameter of the tire, than the diameter of the wheel?


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The biggest reason that see is that you can have a taller wheel/tire combo on the rear without it looking like different size tires. Your eye does not see the different wheel size because the tires have approximately the same sidewall height. The C5/C6 is that way and you dont notice that the rear tire is taller. Now exactly what that does for you in handling, I don't know. Someone here can enlighten us. I like the look of a big tire on the back so I have 17's all around with wider/taller tires in the back.
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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 04:57 PM
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The biggest reason that see is that you can have a taller wheel/tire combo on the rear without it looking like different size tires. Your eye does not see the different wheel size because the tires have approximately the same sidewall height. The C5/C6 is that way and you dont notice that the rear tire is taller. Now exactly what that does for you in handling, I don't know. Someone here can enlighten us. I like the look of a big tire on the back so I have 17's all around with wider/taller tires in the back.
Hmmmm, a larger diameter rear will let you run a larger diameter rear tire, while keeping the sidewall height the same as the front tires. I can understand that. It's not a look I would go for, but that's just personal preference. I think the C5 and C6 'vettes are designed, as far as wheelwell openings and such, to look good with the larger diameter rear tires, but the C3s just look weird that way. They were designed with the same size tires all around in mind. Again, personal preference. So, is that all there is to it? Just a look? In that case I just won't worry about it, I was wondering if there was some actual performance oriented reason for it.


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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 05:33 PM
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I'm sure there will be a scientific answer.
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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flyeri
I'm sure there will be a scientific answer.
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18" on the front will allow a bit wider tire without hitting the lower ball joint since it's inside the wheel. Can't go with any wider than 8" wheels and a 275 tire becoause they will start rubbing elsewhere. In the back an 18 x 9 with 4.5 BS and a 275 tire will fit with no mods on most C3's. The parking brake bracket will be inside the wheel and don't need to be cut off and relocated to the top of the trailing arm.
Please note I say Most C3's. Every one has slightly different geometry and what might clear on one may be tight on another.
Best thing to do is find another C3 owner locally with custome wheels buy him a six pack to come over and pull one of his wheels and try it on your C3. Saves a lot of hassles.
I found 18 x 8 with 4.5 BS US Mags and TT M's will fit with no clearance issues with 255-45-18 front and 275-40-18 rear. Diameters are almost exactly as stock, fronts same width, rears are an inch wider.
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Originally Posted by texasbaehr
18" on the front will allow a bit wider tire without hitting the lower ball joint since it's inside the wheel. Can't go with any wider than 8" wheels and a 275 tire becoause they will start rubbing elsewhere. In the back an 18 x 9 with 4.5 BS and a 275 tire will fit with no mods on most C3's. The parking brake bracket will be inside the wheel and don't need to be cut off and relocated to the top of the trailing arm.
Please note I say Most C3's. Every one has slightly different geometry and what might clear on one may be tight on another.
Best thing to do is find another C3 owner locally with custome wheels buy him a six pack to come over and pull one of his wheels and try it on your C3. Saves a lot of hassles.
I found 18 x 8 with 4.5 BS US Mags and TT M's will fit with no clearance issues with 255-45-18 front and 275-40-18 rear. Diameters are almost exactly as stock, fronts same width, rears are an inch wider.
Unbelievable, rims size, tire size and even what kind of rims fit!!!
That is an A+ answer!!!
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Strictly done for fuel mileage!


Big wheel/tire combo in rear.

Smaller wheel/tire combo in front.

The vehicle is actually nose down; therefore on a flat surface the car is always going downhill.



OK, maybe it looks better with some styles. Personal preference.

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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 10:06 PM
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MotorHead is running a 17/18 setup, hopefully he'll chime in on his rationale.
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Originally Posted by gdh
MotorHead is running a 17/18 setup, hopefully he'll chime in on his rationale.
Gordonm does too, maybe he'll chime also!







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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by texasbaehr
18" on the front will allow a bit wider tire without hitting the lower ball joint since it's inside the wheel. Can't go with any wider than 8" wheels and a 275 tire becoause they will start rubbing elsewhere. In the back an 18 x 9 with 4.5 BS and a 275 tire will fit with no mods on most C3's. The parking brake bracket will be inside the wheel and don't need to be cut off and relocated to the top of the trailing arm.
Please note I say Most C3's. Every one has slightly different geometry and what might clear on one may be tight on another.
Best thing to do is find another C3 owner locally with custome wheels buy him a six pack to come over and pull one of his wheels and try it on your C3. Saves a lot of hassles.
I found 18 x 8 with 4.5 BS US Mags and TT M's will fit with no clearance issues with 255-45-18 front and 275-40-18 rear. Diameters are almost exactly as stock, fronts same width, rears are an inch wider.
You sound like you know hat you are talking about, so let me run this past you. I have a 1980 'vette, and I am thinking of going to bigger tires and wheels. I am thinking Torque thrust II, 18x8, with 255/45/18 tires. See any problems with that combo?


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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 10:44 PM
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It is a hold over from the early early days of hot rodding - they all ran "bigs and littles" back in the day.
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Old Feb 25, 2012 | 10:54 PM
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So 17x8's will fit my 72 all the way around? and 255/50/17's will fit all the way around even in front? Could I go with a 275/50/17 on the rear without rubbing or relocating the ebrake bracket?

I think with the new 383 pushing 500 hp/tq I am going to need something with more traction...

Thinking of putting these..


and these...


on this...
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Originally Posted by MakoShark72
So 17x8's will fit my 72 all the way around? and 255/50/17's will fit all the way around even in front? Could I go with a 275/50/17 on the rear without rubbing or relocating the ebrake bracket?

I think with the new 383 pushing 500 hp/tq I am going to need something with more traction...

Thinking of putting these..


and these...


on this...
I just went through a ton of this here and the first tire in your pic looks to be a TT D model. And those have 4.5 inch backspace and rub on some cars and suck the tires a half inch farther inside. A regular TT wheel is 4.07 in back and a 255/50-17 is exactly the same demensions as the 255/60-15, it will work with stock suspension and not suck in the wheel. Got a new set today, in the garage. I don't know about the rear size, I went the same on all four corners.
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Originally Posted by texasbaehr
Please note I say Most C3's. Every one has slightly different geometry and what might clear on one may be tight on another.
Best thing to do is find another C3 owner locally with custom wheels buy him a six pack to come over and pull one of his wheels and try it on your C3. Saves a lot of hassles.
Great advise that should not be taken lightly.
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FWIW, I have a 1980 C3 with 17" by 9" wheels with 4.5" backspace, tires are 275/40/17. Perfect fit on the front and rear. I do have offset trailing arms on the rear, but the same wheel and tire fit the rear of a friends 74 C3 which had the stock trailing arms. Hope this helps. Thanks PS Forgot to say I have the VBP bump steer kit on my front end, which seems to help a little with the wheel/tie rod clearance. These wheels would come close to the outside tie rods on the stock front.

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MakoShark72
So 17x8's will fit my 72 all the way around? and 255/50/17's will fit all the way around even in front? Could I go with a 275/50/17 on the rear without rubbing or relocating the ebrake bracket?

I think with the new 383 pushing 500 hp/tq I am going to need something with more traction...





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We need a photoshop expert to show the differences.
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How about the weight of these wheel / tire combo's? I've been thinking about larger wheels and new tires but I hate the idea of adding 60 - 100 lbs of unsprung weight.

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