New Engine = New Transmission?
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New Engine = New Transmission?
If I replace my 1977 L82 350 with a ZZ4 350 HP or like engine, do I need to replace my transmission or even rebuild it?
Is anyone running an engine from Phoenixengine.com?
http://www.phoenixengine.com/CratesMain.html
Is anyone running an engine from Phoenixengine.com?
http://www.phoenixengine.com/CratesMain.html
Racer
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From: Mt Airy, NC
I'f threre's nothing wrong with your auto/man transmission then no there's not a need. I'f you have the money and the while-your-at-it's then yes. As far as need, I would look at replacing driveshaft and halfshaft u-joints with spicer solids. I think your trans can handle another 130HP. Just my .02 worth. As far as that engine company I dont know anything about them. I looked at them when I first stated my body off resto because of their cheap/HP prices also, but I,ve come to understand in many things (especially engines) that you get what you pay for.
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From: Henderson Nv-Rohnert Park/Sonoma C o. ca/born in NY Rockaway Beach.
I did the ZZ4 swap and while I had the motor out, I went ahead and had the TH350 rebuilt. I said why not do it now and make sure everything was either new or rebuilt..
Id hate to have gone thru all that work to have the trans go out in 5000 miles...
Better safe than sorry was my thought.
Id hate to have gone thru all that work to have the trans go out in 5000 miles...
Better safe than sorry was my thought.
Racer
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From: Westernport Maryland
Engine swap
I'd use the GM crate motor ZZ4. Definately do the driveshaft and half shafts, good luck.
If I replace my 1977 L82 350 with a ZZ4 350 HP or like engine, do I need to replace my transmission or even rebuild it?
Is anyone running an engine from Phoenixengine.com?
http://www.phoenixengine.com/CratesMain.html
Is anyone running an engine from Phoenixengine.com?
http://www.phoenixengine.com/CratesMain.html
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09
I would do a google search on these guys. I remember a forum member a while back with issues with Phoenix Engines.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/director...ix-Engine.aspx
http://www.ripoffreport.com/director...ix-Engine.aspx
Burning Brakes
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From: Okinawa Okinawa
Good advice so far. Ujoints will be the weakest link in the drivetrain.
I put in a ZZ4 this winter and had the transmission rebuilt only because it has not been out in 38 years. There was nothing wrong with it, just wanted to get it rebuilt. One of those "while I'm at it" things.
Good luck with your project.
I put in a ZZ4 this winter and had the transmission rebuilt only because it has not been out in 38 years. There was nothing wrong with it, just wanted to get it rebuilt. One of those "while I'm at it" things.
Good luck with your project.
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Talked to a couple of the local engine shops today. Looks like the ZZ4 Turnkey is the plan. $5250 delivered from jegs is the best I can find. Let me know if anyone knows where I can get a better price. I will do as everyone indicated and replace the driveshaft and half shaft and cross my fingers that I wont trash my transmission.
What's a rebuilt 350 worth when I have the old engine pulled and placed up for sale?
What's a rebuilt 350 worth when I have the old engine pulled and placed up for sale?
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From: Gig Harbor WA
Just a thought...if you can afford it, install a 2004R overdrive tranny while the motor is out. I have a ZZ4 with a 2004R and I get in the mid-20's mpg.... that tranny will handle the 355hp and 405tq of the ZZ4 easily..
Check out Bowtie or find one locally and have a local shop go through it for you..
Check out Bowtie or find one locally and have a local shop go through it for you..
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From: Henderson Nv-Rohnert Park/Sonoma C o. ca/born in NY Rockaway Beach.
Talked to a couple of the local engine shops today. Looks like the ZZ4 Turnkey is the plan. $5250 delivered from jegs is the best I can find. Let me know if anyone knows where I can get a better price. I will do as everyone indicated and replace the driveshaft and half shaft and cross my fingers that I wont trash my transmission.
What's a rebuilt 350 worth when I have the old engine pulled and placed up for sale?
What's a rebuilt 350 worth when I have the old engine pulled and placed up for sale?
you will need a different water pump and a few other things.. it will change the alt ps pump and ac..
you may want this motor.
http://www.jegs.com/i/GM-Performance...oductId=749876
Racer
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From: Mt Airy, NC
I believe it was recommended to change u-joints not the shafts themselves. Also while you have the half-shafts out you may want to check that the c-clips are still holding the side yokes in the diff.
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You do know that the turn key has the long style water pump ??
you will need a different water pump and a few other things.. it will change the alt ps pump and ac..
you may want this motor.
http://www.jegs.com/i/GM-Performance...oductId=749876
you will need a different water pump and a few other things.. it will change the alt ps pump and ac..
you may want this motor.
http://www.jegs.com/i/GM-Performance...oductId=749876
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From: Henderson Nv-Rohnert Park/Sonoma C o. ca/born in NY Rockaway Beach.
http://www.jegs.com/i/GM-Performance...oductId=749876
and used this pump
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-8812/
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From: Henderson Nv-Rohnert Park/Sonoma C o. ca/born in NY Rockaway Beach.
OK this took forever for me to find, but I found it......http://corvettec3.ca/zz4.htm
THis is a good read... and if you have questions Binnie is glad to help ....
THis is a good read... and if you have questions Binnie is glad to help ....
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OK this took forever for me to find, but I found it......http://corvettec3.ca/zz4.htm
THis is a good read... and if you have questions Binnie is glad to help ....
THis is a good read... and if you have questions Binnie is glad to help ....
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Any bad reports or modifications with this 383? Hard to pull the trigger on 350HP for 4K when the 383/420HP is about the same.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Blueprint-Engi...CTC1K/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Blueprint-Engi...CTC1K/10002/-1
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From: Henderson Nv-Rohnert Park/Sonoma C o. ca/born in NY Rockaway Beach.
Any bad reports or modifications with this 383? Hard to pull the trigger on 350HP for 4K when the 383/420HP is about the same.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Blueprint-Engi...CTC1K/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Blueprint-Engi...CTC1K/10002/-1
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From: Livonia MI
While maybe a long shot, recently discovered Advance Auto parts carries reman engines and tranny's. If you order online, usually give 20% off on most items. For the tranny, if you have the funds, not a bad idea going with a 700R4 lock up od auto, or TKO 5 speed od, while you're at it.