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Old May 7, 2012 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 63mako
So your saying it runs at #25 at cruise but if you let off the throttle the pressure climbs to #45. I see no way this could even happen. That said both of the other posts are just plain wrong. A SBC needs #10 of oil pressure per 1000 RPM. If you get that running 10W-30 it is fine. If your idle pressure jumps to 35 or 40 at idle with 20W-50 is it better? No. That said Mobil 1 10W-30 does not have adequate ZDDP for flat tappet cam protection and additives are not the way to go.
Synthetic has a lot of benefits over conventional oil too numerous to even go into here but a major one is drastically improved cold start protection where 90% of engine wear occurs.
A thinner oil has many benefits over a thicker oil also too numerous to even go into here but a major one is that oil is not only a lubricant but a coolant for internal engine parts. Lower viscocity oil has more flow volume even though pressure is less cooling the internals better than thicker viscocity.
True synthetic oil is not a problem in any Chevy V8 in good condition with good gaskets and likely the main reason your car engines are running 300,000 trouble free miles and your diesel has 450,000 without a rebuild.
There are so many myths and misconceptions out there on this subject and they just keep getting spread by being repeated over and over. Read deep into the oil sticky and do some in depth research on this to clear up the myths.
Originally Posted by 63mako
First point, If Mike Ward has information that would contribute to the thread post it. If not why post? I see no sense in playing trivia games in a thread. Or you can sit their until someone comes up with a logical cause then post "Yes! That is exactly what I was thinking". Either way it just seems like ego stroking.

I have been thinking about this and might have a couple possible causes of why the OP is seeing this strange oil pressure issue. The smaller molecule synthetic will drop oil pressure some accross the board running the same viscocity as conventional due to its ability to flow through smaller gaps than conventional.
1. Worn main bearings or thrust surfaces could be the problem. When the engine is under load the crank is pushed down into the bearing cap. Oil feed holes are at the top so this opens clearance up where the oil is under pressure resulting in pressure drop due to the small molecules being able to escape the gap faster than they can be fed in. When you let off the crank is freewheeling with less downforce and more uniform clearance at all points on the circumference of the main bearing journals with less oil (pressure)escaping.
2. Worn oil pump. Similar situation. Gears are loaded different under load than when engine freewheels. Gears or case could be worn more where they mesh under load and less where they mesh when freewheeling.
The smaller molecules could be why these symptoms show up with synthetic and not conventional if one of the above problems exists in the engine.
I don't know for sure if either of the above scenerios would cause the issue but it has been provoking some thought on the subject.
that a heavier weight synthetic may clear the oil pressure drop under load issue up. I would try and figure out the underlying cause though.


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63mako..... you always help... thx!
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Old May 7, 2012 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by billla
Mike, if you've got the solution or a perspective - just share it.

The intent of the forum is to help fellow Corvette owners, right?
Well OK, but I'm surprised with the combined experience here that only one other guy hinted at it.

My best guess is that the engine was not actually filled with sufficient oil. I've seen it a hundred times- low oil level causes a pressure drop at higher RPM which quickly recovers at lower speed. Nobody else used to have to choose between spending their last dollar on gas and beer instead of a quart of oil?
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Old May 7, 2012 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
...My best guess...
Well, shazaam! A guess! I thought it was going to be hard and solid and irrefutable that you had the only answer.

I HAVE TO LEARN TO DISTILL ALL INFO HERE!

Yeah, I am screaming.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
My best guess is that the engine was not actually filled with sufficient oil.
Um. Certainly a possibility; I considered this but on a fresh fill it seemed unlikely. Not sure that worthy of all the "Ha! I know you and you don't" build-up, Mike...
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Old May 7, 2012 | 07:25 PM
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No, just thought that anybody and everybody had done it at one time or another.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by billla
Um. Certainly a possibility; I considered this but on a fresh fill it seemed unlikely.
I considered and discounted this since it was a fresh oil change. Same with overfilling. That can cause the crank to be spinning in too much oil getting air bubbles and or foaming in the oil and it gets picked up by the pump causing pressure drop. Discounted this also due to the OP just changing it. I would figure he would check the oil level either after changing it and running it for visible leaks or after the odd pressure fluctuations. The guy seems like he is fairly intelligent and mechanically inclined.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
No, just thought that anybody and everybody had done it at one time or another.
I have definitely been broke...but I can't say I've ever intentionally under-filled a crankcase.

I did have a car where I bought oil in the 5-qt jugs every time I bought gas
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Old May 7, 2012 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by billla
I have definitely been broke...but I can't say I've ever intentionally under-filled a crankcase.

I did have a car where I bought oil in the 5-qt jugs every time I bought gas
Wow I had a Vega too.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 07:59 PM
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We all had a Vega at one time or another, or wished we had one- for a while.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 09:37 PM
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Hell, on my '74 Z28, with a mechanical oil pressure gauge that I installed in the dash, the pressure drop was how I knew I was a quart low. Especially when going around corners. Forgot about that. mike...
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Old May 7, 2012 | 09:48 PM
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[QUOTE=Mike Ward;1580751107]Well OK, but I'm surprised with the combined experience here that only one other guy hinted at it.

My best guess is that the engine was not actually filled with sufficient oil. I've seen it a hundred times- low oil level causes a pressure drop at higher RPM which quickly recovers at lower speed. Nobody else used to have to choose between spending their last dollar on gas and beer instead of a quart of oil?[/QUOTE
not as common as you;ld think, but when folks switch from shorty car filter to tall truck filter, forget to add that extra bit of oil
I usta run used oil .30 cent a gallon, cause it left me enough money for beer and burgers.

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in the op's case , I think I think his oil pump sucked a bit of air
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Old May 8, 2012 | 08:51 AM
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Changed oil at Mechanic Shop. Watched them pour oil from quart containers. Then checked it myself after they pulled it out of shop. As i don't trust anyone with my new toy. A little over full if anything. So it could have been foaming up & pump cavitating at higher RPMS. I have been around engines most of my life. Just thought it was a weird experience. Thanks everyone.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by byocum
Changed oil at Mechanic Shop. Watched them pour oil from quart containers. Then checked it myself after they pulled it out of shop. As i don't trust anyone with my new toy. A little over full if anything. So it could have been foaming up & pump cavitating at higher RPMS. I have been around engines most of my life. Just thought it was a weird experience. Thanks everyone.


so, have you driven it yet to see if that was the problem?
Did you use Mobile 1?

and IF Mike was right
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Old May 8, 2012 | 11:01 AM
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[QUOTE=byocum;1580755696]Changed oil at Mechanic Shop. Watched them pour oil from quart containers. Then checked it myself after they pulled it out of shop. As i don't trust anyone with my new toy. A little over full if anything. So it could have been foaming up & pump cavitating at higher RPMS. I have been around engines most of my life. Just thought it was a weird experience. Thanks everyone.[/QUOTEout of couriosity, what ilter are you running?
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Old May 8, 2012 | 11:31 AM
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Wix Filter. Running 10-30 Pennzoil which no problems. Acts just like it should.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 11:47 AM
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I guess i should have gotten a video with I Phone, but the tach & oil pressure gauges is pretty far apart to catch them together. Didn't think about it then. Next oil change when i go to the 15W 50 Mobile 1. i'll record it if any thing is amiss.
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
Well OK, but I'm surprised with the combined experience here that only one other guy hinted at it.

My best guess is that the engine was not actually filled with sufficient oil. I've seen it a hundred times- low oil level causes a pressure drop at higher RPM which quickly recovers at lower speed. Nobody else used to have to choose between spending their last dollar on gas and beer instead of a quart of oil?
Mike, post #31 mentions low oil level as a possible cause, shame on you for continuing to tease after the answer was given.

And, what is up with all of this arguing about oil, when the important question is: what kind of spark plugs should I run?


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Old May 8, 2012 | 12:13 PM
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I think you'll be fine, sucking a bit of air sometimes happens no matter what you do, you may have had a small piece of crud in your drain back that slowed things down, they work themselves thru and as long as you dont completely lose pressure its good
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Old May 8, 2012 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by scottyp99
Mike, post #31 mentions low oil level as a possible cause, shame on you for continuing to tease after the answer was given.

And, what is up with all of this arguing about oil, when the important question is: what kind of spark plugs should I run?


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you forgot bout the variations in muffler bearings and the issues they cause.
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