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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 06:04 PM
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I guess it's obvious that it's pretty much a futile effort expecting that it will make much difference in changing people's minds.
You can only lead a horse to water ......
whether a person changes their thinking or not is up to them.
In the end were all just consumers of fuel. I don't know anybody with a PhD in the subject or any scientists involved in the development of fuels. So everyone can read what they want and make their own decision on what is applicable to their situation.
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by REELAV8R
I don't know anybody with a PhD in the subject or any scientists involved in the development of fuels.
I worked with quite a few of them, and had even more as business contacts in my 31 years at a major engine OEM. Aside from a few that were sort of like Sheldon on Big Bang Theory, a pretty good bunch of men and women. Some of them get a real laugh at some of the stuff posted here and the C4 section.
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 09:59 PM
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just wanna say thanks for all the info

you can continue the argument now
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
I worked with quite a few of them, and had even more as business contacts in my 31 years at a major engine OEM. Aside from a few that were sort of like Sheldon on Big Bang Theory, a pretty good bunch of men and women. Some of them get a real laugh at some of the stuff posted here and the C4 section.
Same here Mike, too serious and boring peeps in my opinion and each one of them is right in whatever they say

I thought you moved to Ontariario ? Land of free if your a cop
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
I'm not sure that we're off topic, especially when posters keep throwing in stuff that might guide the OP in the wrong direction. The article you've quoted is quite good and is one of many that attempts to dispel the myths. Being that there's lots of similar articles available on the weeb and have been for years, I guess it's obvious that it's pretty much a futile effort expecting that it will make much difference in changing people's minds.

I hear that the flat earth society is alive and well too.



So your contention is that the fuel is modified at the molecular by the variation in pressure and density due to reduced compression. Let's see a credible source for your claim.



False. It is a DETONATION inhibitor. Please learn the difference.
You sir are a pro at being a word smith at calling someone an idiot without saying the words, but quite poor at understanding what people write, it is like trying to explain the meaning of life to a 3 yr old ...... I said (and read it again) it affects molecular STRUCTURE. Any time anything goes through a chemical change which is what fire is, it changes the molecular structure, same thing applies when anything goes from liquid to gas. Even heat and cold affect molecular structure. If you look at what I wrote about carboning being more prone in higher octane fuel because of the higher aromatic hydrocarbons, I will admit, I called and asked the opinion of an aquaintance who happens to be an engineer at the Ponca City Conoco refinery and that is where I got that information. He also agreed that it is indeed possible even probable that carboning could happen if ran where it should not be ran, but it also depends on metallurgy, which conicides with a research paper I read today on the internet. I edited some of my personal comments...... And by the way you always ask people for credible sources but never provide any yourself....whats up with that? I guess your cronies are OK, with you saying whatever whenever and accept it as gospel. You are always the one with the snide personal comments first that **** people off and you act so pios, or should I say pompous. I gotta stay away from here for a while before I say something that gets me banned. Im out.

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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 10:44 PM
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Hey I watch that show. I really liked the time that Leonard's car broke down and when he asked the rest of the guys if they knew anything about an "internal combustion engine" they all talked about how old the technology was but when he asked if any of them knew how to fix one the reply by all was "no idea". Basic working knowledge and common sense usually works best for the average individual. My .02
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
At 9:1 the car will probably run just fine on regular 87 octane.
Agree. I have a 1976 with 9:1 and I run 91 in it, but really it would probably be just fine on 87. My 1970 has 11:1 comp and it runs fine for the most part on 91 too...though I try for straight gas rather than ethanol blends.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MotorHead

I thought you moved to Ontariario ? Land of free if your a cop
We'll be in the new place by Sept. 30th or so. I'm not looking forward to having all the cars and bikes replated. It's going to kill me to put a front plate on the '73.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lars

At the stock compession ratio, you can't get detonation no matter where you set the timing... but do set the timing right (36 total) and it will run just fine on standard 87 octane fuel. Running higher octane on a low compression engine gains you absolutely nothing.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 81pilot
Sure it does....It gains you carbon deposits. :O)
Dosen't matter you will get carbon deposits no matter what. I really miss the terethel lead in gasoline when the tailpipes were light powder grey and at wot at around 30 in top gear(manual xmission) there was just a slight ping engine was set up right. those were the good old days.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 09:31 PM
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So here's a little update, I filled up with 91 at BP. The two times I shut it off after that it ran for about 3 more seconds before it shut down. What could cause that? Before I filled up it shut down immediately, and I'm assuming it was 93 octane in there.
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 11:10 AM
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Recent post on this question.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...urned-off.html

Personally I am more inclined to believe that run-on or dieseling is caused by something getting to hot in the combustion chamber and causing further running after shut down as apposed to excessive throttle plate angle. Not that throttle plate angle wouldn't contribute to the issue, but there still has to be a source of ignition independent of the spark plug.
So, too lean, too much spark advance, carbon deposits, plugs too hot etc. It will take some effort and time to figure out what is exactly causing the engine to run hot.
I do not have a lot of experience with these engines in fact practically none, but I have spent much time with engines of all sorts and all are similar yet have different specific tendencies or personalities if you will depending on what has been done to them.
There are folks on here who have decades of experience however, and they have the experience that can probably narrow it down quickly for you.
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NEWB
So here's a little update, I filled up with 91 at BP. The two times I shut it off after that it ran for about 3 more seconds before it shut down. What could cause that? Before I filled up it shut down immediately, and I'm assuming it was 93 octane in there.
Is the anti-dieseling solenoid in place, operational and properly adjusted?
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Old Jul 27, 2012 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
Is the anti-dieseling solenoid in place, operational and properly adjusted?
Well, I'm not sure where that is. But if it was fine before I filled up, could that still be it?
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