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Old Apr 16, 2013 | 10:02 PM
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Well after having my car a few months I noticed that under even light acceleration around 1500-2500RPM I could hear some detonation. So I decided to get a timing light today and I first realized that my tach was reading about 800RPM but according to the timing light, it was at 700. Adjusted the idle to 800RPM and then decided to check timing at idle and to my surprise it is set at 30*! The service manual calls for 12*, is it me or does that sound like a heck of a lot of timing at idle? I didn't even bother to check and see what timing is all in, I'd like to have idle timing sorted first.

My question is, being that this car has had its points replaced by an MSD distributor, would I still adjust timing the same way as a points type distributor? I want to say that I've heard about a module that can be replaced under the distributor that has a set timing curve but I'm not sure.

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I've confirmed that the distributor in the car is MSD part# 8571 however it does not have a vacuum advance on it.
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 01:02 PM
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Well after having my car a few months I noticed that under even light acceleration around 1500-2500RPM I could hear some detonation.

I didn't even bother to check and see what timing is all in, I'd like to have idle timing sorted first.
You can't sort one without the other and total timing is more important when chasing detonation. Set it first (low 30 degree range) and let idle timing fall where it may. Are your weights and springs in place?

read the excellent sticky on ignitions by LARS at the top of the page and work from there. Timing is timing regardless of the technology used to create it.

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read the instructions for your distributor, if you have more questions afterwards, please ask

http://www.jegs.com/InstallationInst...1/121-8571.pdf
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Printed that out this morning, seems pretty straight forward. Will check which springs are installed as well as check what total timing comes out to be as it sits now.
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as stated above, set the total timing, let it idle down and see what you got at idle. if the idle timing is high <18 degrees I would not even give it a second thought.

if the distributor is still in the stock configuration you should see about 20 degrees of difference idle to full advance say 14-34.

if its not then look into it and see what springs and advance stops are installed.

MSD makes kits to tune the distributor. Unfortunately lots of people tend to get the thing way out of whack.

good luck.

just go slow, ask questions if you have them don't get frustrated. or drink too much beer during the tuning evolution

that's my typical down fall
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Well just got back in from the garage and the timing at 2500RPM was 45*, jeez! So I dialed her back to 30* at 2500RPM and that came out to 16* at idle. Haven't had a chance to drive it yet, but hopefully that will get rid of the detonation. I can already tell that it does idle a bit more smoothly.
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Originally Posted by MSUGTO
I've confirmed that the distributor in the car is MSD part# 8571 however it does not have a vacuum advance on it.
If this is a street car, you would benefit from having vacuum advance (better throttle response, cooler running at idle and cruise and better mileage). You need to have the 8572 model or see if your 8571 can be made to have vacuum advance.
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