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Old May 19, 2013 | 09:24 PM
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My '77 has an intermittent missfire. It is basically a stock motor with a Quadrajet and has 103000 miles. The car starts and runs otherwise normally. Sometimes it will run normal for 10-30 seconds then it will have misses. It happens at all RPM's from idle up to cruise. It is very subtle and some people don't even notice it, one of my car buddies described it as not really a miss, another thought I had a leak in my exhaust! It may be more frequent when the car is cold. I have changed gas, looked for vacuum leaks and checked the PCV valve which seems to be operating normally. I added a can of Seafoam but have not driven enough to give it a chance to do its thing yet. This seems to be getting worse slowly, a couple of weeks ago I was not sure I had a problem, I am now! I did a total rebuild of the HEI w/ plugs and wires just before I put her to bed for the winter and the car ran great for April and the first half of May
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Old May 20, 2013 | 03:57 AM
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Fouled plugs ?

If not open the carb and rebuild it.
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If you rebuilt the hei, did you replace the module? Could be the module is overheating.
You could refit the original if you still have it and try.
Also did you use the correct heat paste?

I have read posts where after market modules don't seem to last as well as the original.
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Cracked spark plug porcelain.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 10:06 AM
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sounds like a lean misfire - but honestly, it could be just about anything from bad gas to a burned valve (and everything in-between).

how did the pins look on the HEI when you rebuilt it?
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If you rebuilt the hei, did you replace the module? Could be the module is overheating.
You could refit the original if you still have it and try.
Also did you use the correct heat paste?

I have read posts where after market modules don't seem to last as well as the original.
I did replace the module w/ the correct grease and luckily I kept the original. If I go into the HEI I will try the known good one!
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sounds like a lean misfire - but honestly, it could be just about anything from bad gas to a burned valve (and everything in-between).

how did the pins look on the HEI when you rebuilt it?
The rotor and wires on the capacitor looked like toast all else looked good and everthing was new last December. Only about 500 miles since then!
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The rotor and wires on the capacitor looked like toast all else looked good and everthing was new last December. Only about 500 miles since then!
not sure you answered my question - what did the pins (that support the centrifugal weights) look like?

if those are worn, it will do much what you're saying because the timing advance won't be linear
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How is the Dizzy Cap, if old, check the inside in between the contacts to see if you have any trails to another contact, I have had a problem once where it would jump or follow that trail to another contact and give a miss once in a while. I replaced and the problem went away.
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Originally Posted by SuperBuickGuy
sounds like a lean misfire - but honestly, it could be just about anything from bad gas to a burned valve (and everything in-between).

how did the pins look on the HEI when you rebuilt it?
The miss happens at all speeds including idle!

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How is the Dizzy Cap, if old, check the inside in between the contacts to see if you have any trails to another contact, I have had a problem once where it would jump or follow that trail to another contact and give a miss once in a while. I replaced and the problem went away.
All is new as stated in the first post!
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I had a pickup coil cause an intermittent miss once. Always started and ran fine most of the time, but had kind of an occasional “tick” like it had turrets.
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I had a pickup coil cause an intermittent miss once. Always started and ran fine most of the time, but had kind of an occasional “tick” like it had turrets.
That most closely describes my missfire!
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I had the same problem....plug wire was touching the exhaust.

Worth a look...
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more than likely bad valve guide seals leaking oil down into cyclinders
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Originally Posted by BPHORSEGUY
The miss happens at all speeds including idle!
Looks like not enough advance. Check the vacuum advance system if it's working properly/giving enough advance.

Verify that you have the plugs firing (cylinder balance test). You can do this by putting a piece of rubber piping between the dizzy tower and the plug wire and touching that with a grounded piece of electric wiring.
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more than likely bad valve guide seals leaking oil down into cyclinders
That is exactly what my 35 year pro mechanic said after 4 weekend mechanics, including myself checked the cap, rotor, ignition module, plug wires, egr valve, timing, carb, gas, vacuum, etc, etc ! He said most older hot rod engines that have not had the seals changed have this problem to some degree but the owners don't notice it or it is masked by other issues! If this does not get any worse I will wait until late fall to replace the seals. It is not a huge job but we all know how when you open something up one thing leads to another then another and the driving season is short enough already
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Looks like not enough advance. Check the vacuum advance system if it's working properly/giving enough advance.

Verify that you have the plugs firing (cylinder balance test). You can do this by putting a piece of rubber piping between the dizzy tower and the plug wire and touching that with a grounded piece of electric wiring.
The vacuum advance is new and was replaced in December when I rebuilt the HEI. The timing is 12 degrees initial and 36 degrees at 2850rpm after I recurved the distributer. I am not familiar with your method of checking spark, do you have a picture or could you give a more detailed description. Thanks
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Picture or better description??
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Originally Posted by BPHORSEGUY
That most closely describes my missfire!
When I say pickup coil, I'm referring to the one on the lower portion of the HEI...
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