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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 05:01 PM
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Hi, new to the forums... Just picked up my very FIRST Vette today, and was lucky enough to score an 82 Collectors Edition...
They had swapped motors so its got a nicely built 355 in it now, with a Edel 8867 600cfm carb on it... The issue is that as soon as you turn on the key, the pump primes the carb but never stops priming, it continues until you shut the key off... it instantly floods the motor and will not let it start.
It has an electronic fuel pump now.
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Sounds like a needle and seat is clogged and stuck open. Can you see fuel pouring into the carb when the car is running at idle?
I had this happen once and had to keep my foot on the gas while at idle to keep it running in order to drive it home.
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Originally Posted by scottw
Sounds like a needle and seat is clogged and stuck open. Can you see fuel pouring into the carb when the car is running at idle?
I had this happen once and had to keep my foot on the gas while at idle to keep it running in order to drive it home.
Well that's one of the problems, it wont start cause its getting almost instaflooded... I can see with the carb flap open the front 2 jets have a good stream being dropped right into the carb... not the spraying jets the ones in the center of the hole that drip downward.
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Sounds like the needle and seat are stuck open. May have to replace if you can't clean them out and get them to close.

Congrats on the car by the way.

There is a search function on the top of the forum. Go into Advanced search and you can find just about anything you can think of here. Tons of really smart guys on the forum that love to share their wisdom.
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Originally Posted by scottw
Sounds like the needle and seat are stuck open. May have to replace if you can't clean them out and get them to close.

Congrats on the car by the way.

There is a search function on the top of the forum. Go into Advanced search and you can find just about anything you can think of here. Tons of really smart guys on the forum that love to share their wisdom.
Well, I know that when you turn the key on you can hear the pump start, but never shuts off... the carb is a edel 8867 its only been on this car and only about 4-5months old... I have the old mechanical pump that ive been told by another one of my buddys to put back into the car. I found on another forum that when doing motor swaps in an 82 that you have to reroute the wiring for the fuel pump relay to ground and power from different things then it was originally hooked to on the crossfire motor, but the plug they show in the diagram I cannot find.. its supposed to be behind the pass seat in the compartment... I did find another plug that's not plugged into anything and its running a thick yellow from motor into it and 2 other yellows, then 3 blacks coming out and they are all combined into 1 with a ground connector on it but its not grounded.... its got 4 wires on bottom and 3 on top and I haven't been able to find any connector that looks like it in any pics I can find

Edit http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...e-explain.html heres that thread

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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
Sounds like a needle and seat is clogged and stuck open.
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Sounds like the needle and seat are stuck open.
Maybe try a third time?

If it's not that, possibly the pump pressure is too high.
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I agree with the checking the fuel pressure. The electric pump may be overpowering the float and you may need a regulator to restrict the pressure to levels more suitable for the carb.

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Originally Posted by DC3
I agree with the checking the fuel pressure. The electric pump may be overpowering the float and you may need a regulator to restrict the pressure to levels more suitable for the carb.

DC
I'll bet on that being your issue. Either add in an in-line regulator, or, switch to a mechanical pump.
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Originally Posted by DC3
I agree with the checking the fuel pressure. The electric pump may be overpowering the float and you may need a regulator to restrict the pressure to levels more suitable for the carb.

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Sounds about right.
Now onto a new subject.... I looked at the title earlier and it said 80 Chevrolet on it... not Corvette or 82 like I was told... I run the Vin thru the decoder and it comes up an 80 corvette... is there possibly another spot where the Vin could be... cause everything on this car says 82 and collectors edition... unless someone spent a whole hell of a lot of $ to make it an 82CE
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Originally Posted by Shadowtigerz
Sounds about right.
Now onto a new subject.... I looked at the title earlier and it said 80 Chevrolet on it... not Corvette or 82 like I was told... I run the Vin thru the decoder and it comes up an 80 corvette... is there possibly another spot where the Vin could be... cause everything on this car says 82 and collectors edition... unless someone spent a whole hell of a lot of $ to make it an 82CE

One of the historians will chime in and let us know but I'm not sure any of the C3's end up with the word "Corvette" on the title. At least none I've seen do, including my '73. It may depend on which state.

Does your rear hatch open? If not, it may be an '80 changed to look like a CE. If it does open, you may have a problem with the title.

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Originally Posted by DC3
One of the historians will chime in and let us know but I'm not sure any of the C3's end up with the word "Corvette" on the title. At least none I've seen do, including my '73. It may depend on which state.

Does your rear hatch open? If not, it may be an '80 changed to look like a CE. If it does open, you may have a problem with the title.

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yea it does open, but where the vin # is located corresponds to an 80 the vin says 80 but Body/hood/door/badges all say 82.... maybe its a re-body.....
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Originally Posted by Shadowtigerz
yea it does open, but where the vin # is located corresponds to an 80 the vin says 80 but Body/hood/door/badges all say 82.... maybe its a re-body.....
Any historians wanna chime in on if my cars an 82CE clone or somehow **** got messed up
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If you have an 82, using the original OEM fuel pump you HAVE to have a regulator for the carb. If not it will over power that carb. You need to bring the fuel pressure down to around 5-7 psi.
Also a true CE will have a vin like this 1G1AY0786C51XXXXX
A regular 82 will have an 8 in place of the 0.
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Old Jun 7, 2013 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebelrob
If you have an 82, using the original OEM fuel pump you HAVE to have a regulator for the carb. If not it will over power that carb. You need to bring the fuel pressure down to around 5-7 psi.
Also a true CE will have a vin like this 1G1AY0786C51XXXXX
A regular 82 will have an 8 in place of the 0.
Well like I said, the VIN matches the registry as an 80, Vin is 1Z878AS424XXX Last ones don't matter. So it matches the 80, but doors, hood, badges back hatch being able to open all say 82... im guessing someone just spent an *** load to make it an 82CE clone

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I guess ill show a little engine **** as well.... built 355
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If you're using the stock in tank pump it will over power the carb float needle.
You have to get a regulator and set it for 5 psi and run a return line back to the tank!!!
The pump will burn out in a very short time without the return in place!

You could install a mechanical fuel pump but you'll need a pushrod and pump.
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Very possibly an '82CE that now has an '80 VIN tag on it. Danger Will Robinson.
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Originally Posted by hugie82
If you're using the stock in tank pump it will over power the carb float needle.
You have to get a regulator and set it for 5 psi and run a return line back to the tank!!!
The pump will burn out in a very short time without the return in place!

You could install a mechanical fuel pump but you'll need a pushrod and pump.
k......... now you may have to explain.. how am I running a return line back to the tank??
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Originally Posted by Shadowtigerz
k......... now you may have to explain.. how am I running a return line back to the tank??
The stock 82 vette's have a 1/4 return line running back to the tank already and there's a vent line going to the charcoal box in the drives side fender. Try to find the return line. Someone probably cut it back and you'll find the end on the frame rail. Plum your regulator using that return.
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You may have a hard time finding a regulator to bring your pressure down from 15psi to 5psi but most regulators have a main spring you can shim or cut to get the pressure right

If it was me, I would switch to the mechanic pump.


Oh, just throw a bigger headache you way.... Many 82 vette owners switch out their stock 15 psi pumps for the 85 vette's 45psi pump! You need to get a gauge or get the number off the pump to see what you have....?

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