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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 02:39 PM
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Hello Gentleman! Been watching and searching, not new to vintage and performance cars, but new to the Corvette group!

12 months ago I purchased a 1974 (frame off resto in 2010) beautiful resto , shows and runs like a new car ! It does a have GM 350 Crate as the prior owner decided to replace (not why , but assume catastrophic failure) no matter to me, I purchased to drive it not sell it ..

Some minor issues in the first year , alternator and starter rebuilds.

Oh , I should mention I am in Champaign, Il about 3 miles from the grounds for Blooming Gold and really want to drive the Vette there!!! Not push it..

Out of the blue I developed a No Start , it turns over very strong but will not fire , not even stumble.

I have noticed a couple of Carb backfires when started cold first time in the last month....no sure if that is related, but worth a mention.

Fuel squirts in the bowl when you pump the throttle , it has gas. Holly Carb.

There is no spark. It does have an electronic ignition. Anyone else with an electronic ignition have any suggestions? I will pull the distro next and check the cap and rotor , but beyond that any trouble shooting experience would be appreciated!

Hope to see at Bloomington Gold ..

Shawn
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 03:01 PM
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I'm not a mechanic but i would check the module under the cap...
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Yup, pulling the cap is on my list, what am I looking for? A burnt module ?
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When you say you have electronic ignition, are we talking standard GM HEI or aftermarket like MSD etc?
From what I have read, the HEI module will sometimes just die giving no start. Not sure about the back fire issues though.

Is it possible the hold down clamp on the distributor has become loose causing timing to change? Would account possibly for both backfire and no start.
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Old Jun 9, 2013 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jotto
When you say you have electronic ignition, are we talking standard GM HEI or aftermarket like MSD etc?
From what I have read, the HEI module will sometimes just die giving no start. Not sure about the back fire issues though.

Is it possible the hold down clamp on the distributor has become loose causing timing to change? Would account possibly for both backfire and no start.
I think it is aftermarket, but since I have never seen the the oem, I guess I can't say for sure. I can say there does not seem to be a coil , just the distro and plug wires . If the distro clamp was loose, the distro would turn , which it does not , snug as a bug.
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Yup, pulling the cap is on my list, what am I looking for? A burnt module ?
If it does have the GM HEI, it will have the ignition module underneath the rotor. You need to unplug the connections and undo the bolt or screw holding the module in place. There should be a coating of lube between the module and the plate it attaches to, you can look at the bottom and see it if looks burnt, you can also have it checked at the local parts store. You need to use thermal compound on the bottom of the module with an even coat before re-installation, this prevents the module from burning up and getting fried.
If you have an aftermarket system, I don't know how they would operate as opposed the the HEI, so you would need to look at the troubleshooting section for that particular system.

and as mentioned above, it could be a timing issue if your hold-down clamp came loose and rotated the distributor.......
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I think it is aftermarket, but since I have never seen the the oem, I guess I can't say for sure. I can say there does not seem to be a coil , just the distro and plug wires . If the distro clamp was loose, the distro would turn , which it does not , snug as a bug.
the coil would be attacted to the top of the distributor with the HEI system, aftermarket units may have a remote coil, or one attached as the HEI, it would depend on what system you are using.
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Well I guess HEI module then!
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Originally Posted by jotto
When you say you have electronic ignition, are we talking standard GM HEI or aftermarket like MSD etc?
From what I have read, the HEI module will sometimes just die giving no start. Not sure about the back fire issues though.

Is it possible the hold down clamp on the distributor has become loose causing timing to change? Would account possibly for both backfire and no start.
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the coil would be attacted to the top of the distributor with the HEI system, aftermarket units may have a remote coil, or one attached as the HEI, it would depend on what system you are using.
Thanks guys, new to this one, how can I tell if I have a oem , does anyone have a picture or should I post one here ?
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Ill be damned , the distro was loose and had turned! Turned it back and it fired right up! Thanks guys , great catch!

So where is the bolt that tightens/loosens the distro?

Is it the one on that black bracket under the distro passenger side?
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Originally Posted by SJFARBS
Ill be damned , the distro was loose and had turned! Turned it back and it fired right up! Thanks guys , great catch!

So where is the bolt that tightens/loosens the distro?

Is it the one on that black bracket under the distro passenger side?
yes, that should be it, sometimes you can angle a 9/16" wrench in there to loosen & tighten. there is also a special "bent" distributor wrench that is much easier to use. any auto parts store should stock them. make sure that bolt is secure, and I would recheck the timing to be sure it is set correctly.....
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A 1/4" SnapOn set does nicely...
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Originally Posted by Jeff_Keryk
A 1/4" SnapOn set does nicely...
good tip, never thought about that........
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Originally Posted by SSROADSTER
yes, that should be it, sometimes you can angle a 9/16" wrench in there to loosen & tighten. there is also a special "bent" distributor wrench that is much easier to use. any auto parts store should stock them. make sure that bolt is secure, and I would recheck the timing to be sure it is set correctly.....
Yes , thanks rdstr ! I'm on it...vacuum gauge on the manifold to set timing ? Do you know the optimum vacuum draw for correct timing ?
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Yes , thanks rdstr ! I'm on it...vacuum gauge on the manifold to set timing ? Do you know the optimum vacuum draw for correct timing ?
your welcome, no problem......and no, I do not know the answer to your question, as I have never set the timing that way. I'm sure someone will be able to give you that info......glad your up and running.........
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