C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Anyone with annular boosters?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 08:19 AM
  #21  
The Money Pit's Avatar
The Money Pit
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Photoriffic
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,844
Likes: 99
From: Orrtanna Pa.
Default

427Hotrod

Do you recall the idle vacuum you had with that 406? Mine is around 6-8 inches at 1000 rpms in gear. (3000 stall) Just curious.

Also,...mines a flat tappet solid. How much do you think I'm actually losing over a roller like the one you tested? In the future,....I may see a roller cam................
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 10:38 AM
  #22  
gkull's Avatar
gkull
Team Owner
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 1999
Posts: 21,953
Likes: 1,445
From: Reno Nevada
2024 C3 of the Year Finalist- Modified
Default

I'm of the same mindset of V2racing. If you ignition is not right, it doesn't matter what you do to the carb. I also believe that any carb can be modified to run on even the most radical combinations.

So if your dizzy and carb are out to lunch a change to a roller cam will be maybe less out to lunch.

I have the MSD E-tech dizzy, But I consider the Crane pro-billet to be far superior because it has better timing choices.

In one day you can try all kinds of timing to suite any motor with just clicks on a dial.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cr...1501/overview/
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 10:50 AM
  #23  
scottyp99's Avatar
scottyp99
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 5,948
Likes: 72
From: Oxford MA-----You just lost the game!!!!
Default

How much room do you have under the hood? A 4-hole carb spacer might help. It's a Corvette, though, it was probably all you could do to stuff the Performer RPM manifold under there, right?

Scott
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 11:12 AM
  #24  
cv67's Avatar
cv67
Team Owner
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 81,241
Likes: 3,063
From: altered state
St. Jude Donor '05
Default

Either add more gear or less cam the rest will pizz you off $$$$
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 11:39 AM
  #25  
427Hotrod's Avatar
427Hotrod
Race Director
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 5
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 13,018
Likes: 2,262
From: Corsicana, Tx
2020 C2 of the Year - Modified Winner
2020 Corvette of the Year (performance mods)
C2 of Year Winner (performance mods) 2019
2017 C2 of Year Finalist
Default

Originally Posted by The Money Pit
427Hotrod

Do you recall the idle vacuum you had with that 406? Mine is around 6-8 inches at 1000 rpms in gear. (3000 stall) Just curious.

Also,...mines a flat tappet solid. How much do you think I'm actually losing over a roller like the one you tested? In the future,....I may see a roller cam................

I don't have a vacuum reading. We didn't ck it..but he's been driving it just fine with the WCFB's. It idles clean etc.

Shoot a note to "Devildog" here on the Forum. I'm sure he's checked it and would be glad to tell you about it. We originally planned it for a non-O/D trans..he later installed a TKO. It's a little rowdy for mega low rpm cruising in 5th with 3.08/3.36's..but does fine overall.


Depending on how good the flat tappet is...might be 20-30 HP? Could be more or less depending on how close they are to optimum. I tested a real good flat tappet against a real good solid roller in a 555" a while back. Made 820HP with the flat tappet and 850 with the SR.

JIM
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 11:51 AM
  #26  
bluedawg's Avatar
bluedawg
Safety Car
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,736
Likes: 56
From: anchorage ak
Default

Originally Posted by scottyp99
How much room do you have under the hood? A 4-hole carb spacer might help. It's a Corvette, though, it was probably all you could do to stuff the Performer RPM manifold under there, right.

Scott
I switched from a 1/2" open spacer to a 1" four hole, it definitely made the low end better, but it also seemed to take a little from the top end.
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 11:55 AM
  #27  
bluedawg's Avatar
bluedawg
Safety Car
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,736
Likes: 56
From: anchorage ak
Default

Originally Posted by MotorHead
I put in annular boosters in my 825 Drag Race Demon years ago and did notice more bottom end tq and response, there was enough difference to trip my butt dyno so I liked them better than the downleg.

Now that being said if you are into hardcore racing at the 6500+RPM the same car would probably beat it in a 1/4 mile race, but where do you do most of driving ?

It's a definatley "do" in my opinion and I did it when 99% of the HP carbs came out of the box with downleg boosters, after all they are racing carbs. Now we are starting to see carbs being sold with your preference.

Same carb same car but in drag racing your looking for every 1/10 sec and the down leg would probably win but I wouldn't say buy much more than doors length





Wayne,
How hard is it to change the boosters?
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 12:00 PM
  #28  
The Money Pit's Avatar
The Money Pit
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Photoriffic
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,844
Likes: 99
From: Orrtanna Pa.
Default

Originally Posted by cuisinartvette
Either add more gear or less cam the rest will pizz you off $$$$
Kind of funny you mention that. I actually considered 4.56 gears,.....but I like to be able to actually drive the car. For the same money as a gear swap,...I could do the roller cam.

Gkull
I have a MSD ProBillet HEI that I tried all the limiter bushing combinations, and also three different vacuum cans.....As a last resort I locked the timing at 36 degrees,....means my initial is also 36 degrees. It did help quite a bit compared to what I started with.

That lead me back into the carb where I played with IFR and air bleed jets for a while. All told,...my original 3310 now has a Proform body, QFT billet metering blocks, QFT billet throttle plate, has been rejetted numerous times, and I guess the fuel bowls are about the only thing left that was from the 3310..........

L88 hood,..........Hummmmmmm,.....Could try spacers.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 12:17 PM
  #29  
bluedawg's Avatar
bluedawg
Safety Car
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,736
Likes: 56
From: anchorage ak
Default

On my 400 with an rpm air gap and the one inch spacer I fit a 3" filter under my L88 high rise and have about 3/4" to spare.
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 12:47 PM
  #30  
The Money Pit's Avatar
The Money Pit
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Photoriffic
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,844
Likes: 99
From: Orrtanna Pa.
Default

Originally Posted by bluedawg
On my 400 with an rpm air gap and the one inch spacer I fit a 3" filter under my L88 high rise and have about 3/4" to spare.

I had K&N make one three inches tall for my oval filter, and if I remember right,...might not have room for spacers now that I think about it.
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 01:08 PM
  #31  
MotorHead's Avatar
MotorHead
Race Director
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 17,676
Likes: 201
From: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Default

Originally Posted by bluedawg
Wayne,
How hard is it to change the boosters?
I had to buy the tool it's the red thing that looks like the end of a screwdriver in pics it's got four pins coming out the end that line up the the four holes in the booster. Cost about $12,234 from BG for a $3 tool, (over estimating a bit but you've read Home Wrecker on the side of a car before. ) but I have the best of the best in that engine. 4 years now and it runs like day one.

What concerns be is spending money for little return, putting something on that you can't even feel, when I'm at 7 grand going down the strip I doubt the motor know what carb is on it, spending money for little gain really bites my *** that's why I picked everypart down to bearings when I built my 427ci and it came up with the numbers I expected.

The HP per dollar goes ballistic once you get into the 550-650HP range in a smallbock and I'm not talking about an Fleabay pile or crap motor, I had brand new parts from reputable companies re-machines that's probably why I take it 7500RPM 4 years later with only a spring change, if you ever sat in the passenger seat of mine at in 2nd gear at over 7000RPM it happens so fast that I have I time to boot you out before you crap your pants.

Getting back the downleg vs annular, this is where you should notice a difference driving around town, a little more response and Tq, not a heck of a lot but enough to to make you want to stay with annulars.

One last thing is to make sure you have spun in boosters before you go any further.
Reply
Old Aug 21, 2013 | 01:52 PM
  #32  
bluedawg's Avatar
bluedawg
Safety Car
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,736
Likes: 56
From: anchorage ak
Default

Thanks Wayne. I'm not for sure about my boosters being spun in, it is an 950 hp main body.
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2013 | 04:26 AM
  #33  
iokepakai's Avatar
iokepakai
Burning Brakes
15 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,039
Likes: 62
From: Kona Hawaii
Default

Been researching carbs and EFI systems recently ,looking for the lastest and greatest.The new Street Demon carbs have been getting some great reviews right out of the box.Two sizes 625cfm & 750cfm.Carb has smaller primaries,larger secondaries sorta looks like a modern Qjet.Bolts up to a square bore or spread bore manifold.Polymer fuel bowl available which keeps fuel cooler.Smaller primaries for cruising ,larger secondaries when you wanna stomp on it.Efi looks great but 2K buys a lot of fuel,and more upgrades!
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dem-1904/overview/
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2013 | 08:17 AM
  #34  
The Money Pit's Avatar
The Money Pit
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
Photoriffic
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,844
Likes: 99
From: Orrtanna Pa.
Default

Originally Posted by MotorHead
I had to buy the tool it's the red thing that looks like the end of a screwdriver in pics it's got four pins coming out the end that line up the the four holes in the booster. Cost about $12,234 from BG for a $3 tool, (over estimating a bit but you've read Home Wrecker on the side of a car before. ) but I have the best of the best in that engine. 4 years now and it runs like day one.

What concerns be is spending money for little return, putting something on that you can't even feel, when I'm at 7 grand going down the strip I doubt the motor know what carb is on it, spending money for little gain really bites my *** that's why I picked everypart down to bearings when I built my 427ci and it came up with the numbers I expected.

The HP per dollar goes ballistic once you get into the 550-650HP range in a smallbock and I'm not talking about an Fleabay pile or crap motor, I had brand new parts from reputable companies re-machines that's probably why I take it 7500RPM 4 years later with only a spring change, if you ever sat in the passenger seat of mine at in 2nd gear at over 7000RPM it happens so fast that I have I time to boot you out before you crap your pants.

Getting back the downleg vs annular, this is where you should notice a difference driving around town, a little more response and Tq, not a heck of a lot but enough to to make you want to stay with annulars.

One last thing is to make sure you have spun in boosters before you go any further.
No clue.

What is spun in boosters mean? I plan on sending the whole carb to Quick Fuel when I get ready to put the Vette away for the winter, and have then go though it.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2013 | 08:31 AM
  #35  
KJL's Avatar
KJL
Melting Slicks
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,738
Likes: 53
From: Bogart GA
Default

If I were getting 460 rwhp out of a 383, I wouldn't change a thing. Please let me know how the FAST Fuel System works out for you.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2013 | 12:01 PM
  #36  
MotorHead's Avatar
MotorHead
Race Director
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 17,676
Likes: 201
From: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Default

Spun in are threaded and can be replaced with that tool. Cheaper carbs have pressed in boosters and hard to change them.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2013 | 12:26 PM
  #37  
pauldana's Avatar
pauldana
Race Director
Supporting Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 10,956
Likes: 409
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by KJL
If I were getting 460 rwhp out of a 383, I wouldn't change a thing. Please let me know how the FAST Fuel System works out for you.
I spun that 383 to its max a few to many times and busted the crank, so I am building a new 427 now, and that is what I am putting the EZEFI 2.0 into.... They do make a EZEFI 1.0 for 550hp and less.... With the 427 I am shooting for 650 hp before I hit the NOS... And up to 1000 with NOS, thus the reason for the 2.0 system
Reply




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:33 AM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE