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Old Sep 24, 2013 | 08:29 PM
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Found an article comparing dual plane intakes. Good info. it compares HP, TQ and also shows heights which is great having it all in one place for figuring out if it will fit under the hood.
I can see that the 7104 would be .65" taller than the 2101 and would not fit under the hood with my current configuration.

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Would a 1/2 inch wood open spacer fit on top your manifold?
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This is what valve float looks like on the dyno (~5,900 RPM) with the 151 cam (327/350 hp). The engine quickly drops off in power.
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On my 79, an edelbrock RPM intake and edelbrock carb with the stock air cleaner all manage to fit under the hood. There may have been some massaging involved by my mechanic, but they fit, despite edelbrock saying it won't. So, there may be hope
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Would a 1/2 inch wood open spacer fit on top your manifold?
Not the way I have it now. But it could be changed. I have 1/8 inch clearance from the hood with the insulation removed above the air cleaner.

I do have extra spacers under the carb now to keep percolation down after shutting down. I could take that out and put in a wood open spacer. You thinking of increasing the plenum volume for more rpm?

Right now I have the 4 hole gasket/spacer set up from Mr gasket which is alternating aluminum plates (two) and gaskets (I'm using 2 of three) and then an open style 1/2" open gasket nearest the carb. Using the 4 hole to keep reversion down and improve initial throttle response as apposed to an open gasket/spacer.
I could change this configuration to get a taller manifold in and then put up with the fuel percolation.
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Presently I have a wood 4 hole to prevent boiling in the fuel bowls on the weiand single plane. This is putting it back together a few months ago with my smaller AFR 210 cc heads. This motor breaths so well that you have to use a rev limiter and watch the tach.

I was thinking that if you use open spacers that you can increase the plenum volume and extend the upper rpm range.





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Originally Posted by toddalin
This is what valve float looks like on the dyno (~5,900 RPM) with the 151 cam (327/350 hp). The engine quickly drops off in power.
If a 222 @.050 cam dies at 5900 I guess getting 5700 out of a 219@.050 isn't so bad.
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Originally Posted by REELAV8R
If a 222 @.050 cam dies at 5900 I guess getting 5700 out of a 219@.050 isn't so bad.
Agreed. Rest of the engine:

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Originally Posted by toddalin
This is what valve float looks like on the dyno (~5,900 RPM) with the 151 cam (327/350 hp). The engine quickly drops off in power.

Toddalin, I read your setup list. By chance when you put the heads together did you keep the heavy rotators and valve spring cups? The additional weight causes valve float at a much lower than it has to rpm. Then the fact that springs use oil splash to keep cool to last longer makes the spring cups another bad idea.

back in the 70's those items were the first things we would throw away and install lighter chromemoly retainers and the over the counter 302 or LT1 springs
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Originally Posted by gkull
Toddalin, I read your setup list. By chance when you put the heads together did you keep the heavy rotators and valve spring cups? The additional weight causes valve float at a much lower than it has to rpm. Then the fact that springs use oil splash to keep cool to last longer makes the spring cups another bad idea.

back in the 70's those items were the first things we would throw away and install lighter chromemoly retainers and the over the counter 302 or LT1 springs
I don't know.

Engine was built by a couple in a shop that specialized in drag racing. They wanted me to go more radical (e.g., higher compression, cut the heads for 1.6 rockers) than I did at the time but I was looking for a nice driver with a fat torque curve and didn't want to be bothered with setting valve lash.

I would have to pull a valve cover to look. Even now beehive valve springs are probably superior to what's in there.
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