C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Borgeson frame twist

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 16, 2014 | 04:27 PM
  #1  
manfroni's Avatar
manfroni
Thread Starter
Instructor
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 165
Likes: 0
From: concord ohio
Default Borgeson frame twist

The steering issues continue. After having the new front suspension checked and realigned again, the teck mentioned that the frame where the Borgeson box is mounted "moves" under steering load. It isn't a lot, but is still moves. Has anyone else experienced this? Would that small movement cause the slop[ I feel in the steering? The frame has 0 rust and I cant see any cracks.

thanks,
Reply
Old Jul 16, 2014 | 05:14 PM
  #2  
ignatz's Avatar
ignatz
Safety Car
Supporting Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,349
Likes: 1,578
From: los altos hills california
Default

Well mine does too. Probably the same thing is happening on the other side (equal and opposite forces etc) although I never thought to look. I never looked at the stock setup either so I can't compare but it has to push against something.

This is also a function of caster and camber. As I recall the car goes up and down a little bit when you turn the wheel. So that is lifitng a considerable weight.. I'd have to go out and look to verify and right now other things are taking priority.

I don't think this contributes to very much slop. I rejected the rag joint that Borgeson supplied in favor of the stock rag joint. Maybe you didn't? The former seemed too rubbery to me.

Last edited by ignatz; Jul 16, 2014 at 05:20 PM. Reason: typo
Reply
Old Jul 16, 2014 | 10:27 PM
  #3  
Roadster71's Avatar
Roadster71
Drifting
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Mar 1999
Posts: 1,432
Likes: 22
From: Oxford CT
Default

Originally Posted by manfroni
The steering issues continue. After having the new front suspension checked and realigned again, the teck mentioned that the frame where the Borgeson box is mounted "moves" under steering load. It isn't a lot, but is still moves. Has anyone else experienced this? Would that small movement cause the slop[ I feel in the steering? The frame has 0 rust and I cant see any cracks.

thanks,
I'd take another look at all the new and old steering gear. Sounds like something is loose or worn. My Borgeson unit has very little if any slop. Have someone turn the wheel while you watch the steering shaft and pitman arm. They should both move at the same time. If they do then the problem is in the steering gear. Another possibility could be the wheel bearings.
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2014 | 01:50 AM
  #4  
mac79vette's Avatar
mac79vette
Pro
10 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 582
Likes: 9
Default

I have no play in the steering and I have a borgeson box. My frame also moves a little, looked at my Chevy 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton trucks and there is more movement than the vette. So I would say this is normal and the problem is something else.
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2014 | 07:18 AM
  #5  
manfroni's Avatar
manfroni
Thread Starter
Instructor
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 165
Likes: 0
From: concord ohio
Default

No rag joint, replaced it with the Borgeson universal. I will check to see if the pitman arm moves with the steering wheel / output shaft on the box.
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2014 | 01:46 PM
  #6  
ignatz's Avatar
ignatz
Safety Car
Supporting Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,349
Likes: 1,578
From: los altos hills california
Default

idler arm OK?
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2014 | 07:02 PM
  #7  
manfroni's Avatar
manfroni
Thread Starter
Instructor
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 165
Likes: 0
From: concord ohio
Default Dumb ***

What a dumb *** I am, after 3 trips to the alignment shop and hundreds of dollars I found the problem. I never tightened the set screws on the universal joint. Now it really drives well. At 57 years old I should have known better!
Reply
Old Jul 17, 2014 | 09:14 PM
  #8  
SHARKBIT77's Avatar
SHARKBIT77
Instructor
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 203
Likes: 24
From: Cincinnati OH
Default

Good to hear you found the trouble. The box on my 77 vet and my sons 81 camaro also move a small amount. I think your ok there.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-6

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

 Joe Kucinski
Old Jul 17, 2014 | 10:16 PM
  #9  
Roadster71's Avatar
Roadster71
Drifting
25 Year Member
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Mar 1999
Posts: 1,432
Likes: 22
From: Oxford CT
Default

Originally Posted by manfroni
What a dumb *** I am, after 3 trips to the alignment shop and hundreds of dollars I found the problem. I never tightened the set screws on the universal joint. Now it really drives well. At 57 years old I should have known better!
Wait another 10 years, it gets worst.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Borgeson frame twist





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:44 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-1
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-2
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-4
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-8
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Corvette vs The World: Every C8 vs Its Closest Competitor

Slideshow: 2027 Corvette lineup vs the world.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-24 16:12:42


VIEW MORE