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Old Oct 26, 2014 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 63mako
Great. Repost when you come to a decision as the cams recommended would be for your 8.5 to 1 engine. A compression upgrade, roller cam and a little higher stall convertor would make a huge difference and could still sound and drive like stock. No one would know. Looking at that lifter I would rebuild it. A lot of metal circulating. You can reach in with a file and file the burred edges of the lifters off and pull it right out.
Hadn't thought of changing the converter. I have a nice 2800 rpm stall on the shelf. I'll start pulling the motor today. It'll take a couple weeks to get it to the engine builder (too busy at work right now).

I'll keep the thread updated. Thanks for your help.

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Old Oct 26, 2014 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by gerry72
The damage looks like fretting or maybe even false brinelling. Goes without saying that you're in for a new cam and lifters for sure, but look at the other components for anything causing a vibration or resonance in the valve train including the valves.
I will get the heads rebuilt and new springs to match the cam. Head rebuild will include new valve guides and/or valves if they are bad. What issues can I look for with the valves to cause a vibration resonance problem?

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Old Oct 26, 2014 | 10:22 AM
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You can see jagged edge of lifter. Makes me think lifter was loosing contact with flat surface of the cam and when they made contact the edge of the lifter was hitting the cam lobe.
To me it kind of looks like the lifter stopped spinning in the bore and just wore in that one spot. In the pic it looks like the right side of the lifter might still be smooth on the edges.

What issues can I look for with the valves to cause a vibration resonance problem?
LOL, Based on the experience with my engine I would say ensure that you have the minimum sweep on the valve stem from the rocker regardless of whether that is centered or not and as long as it's not too close to the edge.

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Old Oct 26, 2014 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TWINRAY
In my non expert opinion, modern 10-30 has a max of 1000 ppm zinc. These old flat tappets need probably 1400 ppm. In my '67 327/350 I run Delo 400 15w-40 and 4 oz.@Red Line EOS in each oil change. On my '69 350/300, lifters were shot at 90K miles. Most of it lubed with Penzoil 10-40.
Sounds like a ZDDP oil problem. Just about every off the shelf mass market oil in the US-5W-30, 10W-30, 10W-40-will have the EPA mandated ZDDp level of 800 PPM. There are exceptions but you need to know which one and what weights. Most folks in the know agree that a minimum ZDDP level for a flat tappet cam is no less than 1,000 PPM. The safer number is no less than 1,200 PPM ZDDP.

I just rebuilt my original 66,000 miles L-82 this spring and had run for years Mobil 1 15W-50-1,200 ppm ZDDP (Mobil 1's Mass market grades of 5W-30, 10W-40, 10W-30 have 800 PPM ZDDP and should NOT be used in flat tappet cammed engines) and the OEM L-82 cam and lifters looked perfect-almost no wear. Running a roller cam in the 355 and will be switching to Mobil 1 Group IV true synthetic 0W-40 (the only Mobil 1 BTW besides Porsche Spec Mobil 1 5W-50 that is a true synthetic in the US) with 1,000 PPM ZDDP.

C3 owners need to mind the oil….
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Originally Posted by REELAV8R
To me it kind of looks like the lifter stopped spinning in the bore and just wore in that one spot. In the pic it looks like the right side of the lifter might still be smooth on the edges.

Yes, that's a good description. The lifter easily moves up and down easily, until it hits the jagged edge. It will also rotate easily.

LOL, Based on the experience with my engine I would say ensure that you have the minimum sweep on the valve stem from the rocker regardless of whether that is centered or not and as long as it's not too close to the edge.
I'll make sure the engine builder takes care of that. They always do, this will be the third engine I've had them build. Especially since I will be changing cam, lifters, and pushrods they will need to setup the correct geometry.
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