Borgeson Power Steering Conversion QUEST?
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Burning Brakes
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Borgeson Power Steering Conversion QUEST?
Hi!,
anyone do a Borgeson power steering conversion?
was the top steering box hose closest to the firewall...crazy hard to get in?...the box seems to be notched to compress?
also, how crazy hard was it to push that hose to pump on???
just checking as my hands are sore!
thanks,
Ron
anyone do a Borgeson power steering conversion?
was the top steering box hose closest to the firewall...crazy hard to get in?...the box seems to be notched to compress?
also, how crazy hard was it to push that hose to pump on???
just checking as my hands are sore!
thanks,
Ron
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I have done multiple Steeroids and now 3 Borgeson setups. The Borgeson is a piece of cake. No issues. The hardest is getting the steering column to collapse without screwing up the splines and getting it to. The right compressed length. Really not difficult at all. Pretty much bolt in. Of course with a lift and all the tools it helps plus many years of experience. 
Le Mans Master
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Ron, I used one of these, also available at local parts stores in the help section. Bend a 90 deg and put it on the steering box, then toss that over built hose they send in the kit. Use power steering push on return hose, also available at local parts houses.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-800-170
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-800-170
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First off, I may have NO idea what I'm talking about...but.. I think it would be better to run a braided line that close to the header or have an insulation sleeve around it.
Header heat can boil brake fluid, I imagine it won't do P/S fluid any good.
Like I said, JM2cW
Header heat can boil brake fluid, I imagine it won't do P/S fluid any good.
Like I said, JM2cW
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I decided not to use the Borgeson hoses and had a mobile hose guy come around and make up hoses to suit the application. That way, we kept the hoses away from the header wherever possible.
As to the OP, I found it easier (before the Hydroboost upgrade) to fit the hoses to the box before I put the box in the car, as it is difficult to get a flare wrench in there and get enough degrees of rotation before the next position.
When I fitted the HB, I removed the Borgeson hoses completely and had AN dash 6 male adapters fitted to the steering box (and the HB unit) and had female dash 6 AN fittings on the hose ends. This makes for a neat fit all round. You don't need to be a gorilla to tighten the AN nuts, a normal open end wrench should be sufficient.
Hope this helps.
Regards from Down Under.
aussiejohn
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From: LAKE BARRINGTON IL
Thanks guys!
yes a lift will make it that much easier!
HI DEAN! been a while!
Overall, pretty easy setup. the collapsing of shaft...yeah, I kind of had to measure 5xs, but it worked fine...gonna roll the car in the next few days to see how straight she is...
BUT DAMN! yes, overbuilt hose...fricken hard as hell to push into the pump outlet...wanted to make sure I was not the only one on this....BUT it is on...
and the box was pretty tight fit with their lines too! I had to use gorilla strength...tough part was thinking I was stripping it...pulled it out and no...so kept going...weird they had this indent in the box...??
???as for header heat?...I routed pretty much as far as possible-I think...top one is about 1.5 ish inches away. bottom sits on frame...
using sanderson ceramic coated (inside and out) headers
let me know...
thanks,
R
yes a lift will make it that much easier!
HI DEAN! been a while!
Overall, pretty easy setup. the collapsing of shaft...yeah, I kind of had to measure 5xs, but it worked fine...gonna roll the car in the next few days to see how straight she is...
BUT DAMN! yes, overbuilt hose...fricken hard as hell to push into the pump outlet...wanted to make sure I was not the only one on this....BUT it is on...
and the box was pretty tight fit with their lines too! I had to use gorilla strength...tough part was thinking I was stripping it...pulled it out and no...so kept going...weird they had this indent in the box...??
???as for header heat?...I routed pretty much as far as possible-I think...top one is about 1.5 ish inches away. bottom sits on frame...
using sanderson ceramic coated (inside and out) headers
let me know...
thanks,
R
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Thanks for your concern, but that's not the final routing, it's just to show the nipple I used for the low, almost no pressure return line. Steel braided is not necessary and the hose that borgeson sends for this is way overkill to the point of being ridiculous, nearly impossible to use and not designed to be clamped on one end with a simple hose clamp. When people pay that much for a kit, they should expect the correct type hose for the application.
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Burning Brakes
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From: LAKE BARRINGTON IL
ok...thanks guys!
i did get the lines on...of course with gorilla strength! thinking will leave it be and see if any issues arise...
YES...did talk to Borgeson, and they confirmed all my concerns are normal...kind of stupid, but yes.
thanks!
i did get the lines on...of course with gorilla strength! thinking will leave it be and see if any issues arise...
YES...did talk to Borgeson, and they confirmed all my concerns are normal...kind of stupid, but yes.
thanks!
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Coupling part number?
I've been going through these Borgeson conversion threads. I saw somewhere that someone purchased a steering shaft coupler that replaces the rag joint during the installation of the box. Does anybody have a part number or know what I'm talking about? I did the search and can't find that thread again. I think it's a 014350N Borgeson. Can anyone confirm this?
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From: LAKE BARRINGTON IL
so it is all together now...the borgeson box seems to be just under 3 turns from side to side...BUT if my steering wheel is level (have the 3 spoke)...tires are straight and car goes straight...but turning from full right to full left...the steering wheel ends up a little different at lockout...anyone else have this issue?
car does roll straight when wheel straight...just at lockout it is in slightly different positions.
any ideas?
car does roll straight when wheel straight...just at lockout it is in slightly different positions.
any ideas?
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From: The only Corvettes in Highett Victoria
Info...
I've been going through these Borgeson conversion threads. I saw somewhere that someone purchased a steering shaft coupler that replaces the rag joint during the installation of the box. Does anybody have a part number or know what I'm talking about? I did the search and can't find that thread again. I think it's a 014350N Borgeson. Can anyone confirm this?
Borgeson make a rag joint for the Corvette conversion, 18mm-DD x 3/4"-36 for the C2 (part #055034) and a 18mm-DD x 1"-48 for the '67-on cars (that had a collapsible shaft/column) part #055043. If you want to replace the rag joint with a Uni joint, then you will need to contact Borgeson, 860-482-8283, and ask them about it. They do not have these sizes in their price list, but could possibly make one up for you.
However, the reason they don't offer a Uni joint for the Corvettes is that they are body-on-frame and any sagging of the rubber body mounts will cause minor misalignment between the steering box, attached to the frame, and the steering shaft, attached to the body. A Uni joint fitted here will tend to pull on the shaft if the mounts sag, a rag joint has a lot more "give" in it, which is why it is offered.
Hope this helps.
Regards from Down Under.
aussiejohn
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One thing I learned installing it it with a U joint:
the screw that hold the u-joint onto the steering column shaft end it not necessarily aligned with the flat spot on the column. So once everything is aligned you may have to remove the ujoint again to grind another flat stop on the steering shaft at the desired place.
Edit: I got it confirmed by Borgeson tech support.
the screw that hold the u-joint onto the steering column shaft end it not necessarily aligned with the flat spot on the column. So once everything is aligned you may have to remove the ujoint again to grind another flat stop on the steering shaft at the desired place.
Edit: I got it confirmed by Borgeson tech support.
