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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 11:53 AM
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Which side towards the engine #1 or # 2

My guess would be #2 to keep the lube in the bearing sealed.

image #1 is what I should see once installed.

Also what lube to use. High Temp bearing grease ?

The transmission is a T56 Magnum 6-speed. [added information]

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IMHO, Agree with you, but for a different reason.

I just put the all bronze pilot in a couple of days ago and I would say with a roller bearing like the one you have shown, that the bevel end (not the flat end), should be installed out to receive the 4sp input shaft.

That would be consistent with how the bronze one is installed and gives you a little easier install getting the 4 sp to fully mate up.

I think this is likely a "sealed for life" bearing, so that would not drive the decision for me.

Hope this helps.

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I would not use a roller/needle bearing. They fail way to frequently. My first (and only) needle bearing lasted about 3k miles. A bronze bearing will last 100 years, no moving parts.

Do a forum/google search and you'll find numerous needle bearing failures.
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 04:27 PM
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I agree with both 20mercury and Revi - beveled end towards tranny, and I also prefer the solid bronze (it is what I put in my 79 C3).

Many do like the needle bearing over the solid bronze bushing, just my preference.

I had a needle bearing fail on a 924 Porsche I had years ago - it ruined the shaft connecting the engine/clutch to the rear mounted transaxle - expensive repair....
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Originally Posted by Revi
I would not use a roller/needle bearing. They fail way to frequently. My first (and only) needle bearing lasted about 3k miles. A bronze bearing will last 100 years, no moving parts.

Do a forum/google search and you'll find numerous needle bearing failures.
Yah you get both sides. Tremec Recommended for the T56 to use a roller. ??? so Hard to say which will be best. Time will tell.

I will see how easy the transmission slides in. I can always change my mind.

Thanks for the input.
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My experience with the needle bearing was fine. Use high temp bearing grease. After you slide the input shaft in the tranny may stop about 1/4" short of fully seated. Have some one push the clutch pedal and you can push the tranny right in.
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by flyeri
My experience with the needle bearing was fine. Use high temp bearing grease. After you slide the input shaft in the tranny may stop about 1/4" short of fully seated. Have some one push the clutch pedal and you can push the tranny right in.
Do you have a brand name high temp bearing grease you used.

I did a test fit today, I dont have the clutch pedal installed yet , but

it just slide right in anyways.
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My understanding of the bushing is that it should be a non metallic bushing. I don't think that the bushing you show is. For the amount of work it takes and where you are right now I would not use the bearing bushing. Auto Gear sells the correct non metallic bushing and it has 2 beveled edges for an east install.
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Originally Posted by rvzio
My understanding of the bushing is that it should be a non metallic bushing. I don't think that the bushing you show is. For the amount of work it takes and where you are right now I would not use the bearing bushing. Auto Gear sells the correct non metallic bushing and it has 2 beveled edges for an east install.
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My last pilot bearing install was in a 67 283 so i may be out of date here, i used the brass one, no roller bearing or fancy stuff here, just the basic stuff, lubed the crap out of it and input shaft, just because i didn't want to do it again..

Got another 75,000 out of the car
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Originally Posted by Mod75
My last pilot bearing install was in a 67 283 so i may be out of date here, i used the brass one, no roller bearing or fancy stuff here, just the basic stuff, lubed the crap out of it and input shaft, just because i didn't want to do it again..

Got another 75,000 out of the car
I am not sure if they are made of brass but you don't lubricate the bushing. The particular non metallic bushing is already impregnated with lubrication. Place it in the freezer over night and bam it goes right in.
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Those recommending the Brass Bushing any one running a T56 Magnum Transmission ?

I have been looking for more info of brass vs roller that also includes a T56 magnum 6 speed.

I dont think I indicated what transmission I am installing, or if it matters.

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Just installed a new motor in my 76, and went solid brass, have read of a few horror stories on roller bearings. Old tec seems to work good for years I can't see any real advantage going roller bearing. I hate removing and installing my trans unless its a clutch job.
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