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Old Aug 19, 2015 | 12:56 PM
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My thought is that to achieve the best performance with the existing camshaft a good single plane would be the best choice, maybe the low rise team g if your concerned about clearence. If I were set on a dual it would be the rpm air gap. The performer is a lot lower rpm range than the camshaft.
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My thought is that to achieve the best performance with the existing camshaft a good single plane would be the best choice, maybe the low rise team g if your concerned about clearence. If I were set on a dual it would be the rpm air gap. The performer is a lot lower rpm range than the camshaft.
Thanks for that info.
Will look into the team g.
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What transmission and rear end ratio are you running? That cam will need a set of 3.73's as a minimum for a 4-speed or auto and if an auto it'll need a 2500+ stall speed converter.
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FWIW-I rebuilt my stock L-82 in June 2014 to a L-82 355, AFR 180 heads, Howards Roller (.525/.525, duration 219/225, LSA 110), JE Forged piston, compression 10.2:1 BUT reused my L-82 aluminum intake and the dual snorkel l-82 air intake. The operating range of my cam is 1,500-5,600 Rpm and engine with the 4 speed spends most of its time in the 2,500-4,500 RPM range with occasional blast to 5,500-5,600 RPM. On my engine and following some real expert device, i was told leave the stock intake since I would not gain much changing. However, with your cam I would venture to say it would be worth changing for an additional 10-12 HP maybe. I know that the Edelbrock performer RPM is worth a few horses but it will not fit with the OEM air intake. Since you desire the OEM air intake look like me, you may be better just trying to resuse the L-82 intake and can change to some other low rise intake later if you can find one that fits but the HP gain with a low rise will be very little if at all.
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Old Aug 20, 2015 | 07:38 AM
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You are doing a lot of miss matching , such as wanting more power then chocking it off with the intake or exhaust .

So why do anything to it ?
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Originally Posted by toobroketoretire
What transmission and rear end ratio are you running? That cam will need a set of 3.73's as a minimum for a 4-speed or auto and if an auto it'll need a 2500+ stall speed converter.
Yep. 3.73 rear and close ratio 4 speed.
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Old Aug 20, 2015 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jb78L-82
FWIW-I rebuilt my stock L-82 in June 2014 to a L-82 355, AFR 180 heads, Howards Roller (.525/.525, duration 219/225, LSA 110), JE Forged piston, compression 10.2:1 BUT reused my L-82 aluminum intake and the dual snorkel l-82 air intake. The operating range of my cam is 1,500-5,600 Rpm and engine with the 4 speed spends most of its time in the 2,500-4,500 RPM range with occasional blast to 5,500-5,600 RPM. On my engine and following some real expert device, i was told leave the stock intake since I would not gain much changing. However, with your cam I would venture to say it would be worth changing for an additional 10-12 HP maybe. I know that the Edelbrock performer RPM is worth a few horses but it will not fit with the OEM air intake. Since you desire the OEM air intake look like me, you may be better just trying to resuse the L-82 intake and can change to some other low rise intake later if you can find one that fits but the HP gain with a low rise will be very little if at all.
After some more research, it looks like the RPM Q-JET intake may be the best compromise for power and still be able to shut my hood with a drop base cleaner.
I'll just have to tighten my belt and spring for some Spectre peices to make it work for me.
I do appreciate the insight and it's good to know that the stock intake is a decent performer.
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Originally Posted by Derply_78
After some more research, it looks like the RPM Q-JET intake may be the best compromise for power and still be able to shut my hood with a drop base cleaner.
I'll just have to tighten my belt and spring for some Spectre peices to make it work for me.
I do appreciate the insight and it's good to know that the stock intake is a decent performer.
OK so the specter pieces that you mention need to maintain a certain clearence from the top of the carb and as I mentioned previously and die hard who wasn't harassing you, but with that camshaft if you put a dual plane on it'll be a miss match, this doesn't mean it won't be fun, it just won't run as good as it should. The camshaft probably doesn't start making decent power until 3500 rpm and comp recommends a 3200+ rpm plus stall. My ex288hr comes on strong at 3000 rpm and having never ran the xr294hr I'd figure it to be a little higher in the rpm range.. They make the team g in 3 different heights.

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I have a 280 retro roller cam and use a use a Team G low rise intake. It runs just fine. I would go with a Team G for your setup and a double pumper.
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Old Aug 21, 2015 | 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Derply_78
Indeed I was aware of the carb to lid clearance issue as well.
I still need to do some accurate measuring and compare with the drawings that spectre provides of their boxes.

In a perfect world that cam profile would not have been my first choice but when parts come your way VERY cheap, it's hard to pass.
That's been the story of this car from the beginning of my ownership. A very good deal that I probably wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise.

Currently the Edelbrock that's on it is using the adapter plate that adds .85" to the air cleaner height over stock and I can still close the hood no issues so maybe things won't be as tight as I thought.

Thanks for the opinions and advice.
So which edelbrock you got on her now?
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Old Aug 21, 2015 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bluedawg
So which edelbrock you got on her now?
The 600 cfm performer. #1400.
Also the square bore to spread bore adapter. #2696.
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Old Aug 21, 2015 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Derply_78
Because it's mine and I can spend my money any way I like.
Do you have anything constructive to say or just troll for fun?

I know the intake is the mis-match in the equation. That's why I'm looking for opinions.
If you think that shorty exhaust is choking, you're sadly mistaken.
Nice reply..

Trolling ?
You started a topic ,, maybe next time you can start off with

Only people who agree with me reply ..

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I do not think your chocking it off with shorty headers , I know you are.

So spend your few dollars however you want ,, If you make less power that works to ..
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Old Aug 21, 2015 | 10:18 AM
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You are doing a lot of miss matching , such as wanting more power then chocking it off with the intake or exhaust .

So why do anything to it ?
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Nice reply..

Trolling ?
You started a topic ,, maybe next time you can start off with

Only people who agree with me reply ..

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I do not think your chocking it off with shorty headers , I know you are.

So spend your few dollars however you want ,, If you make less power that works to ..
You didn't disagree with me, I said it was an intake mismatch right from the start.
What you did was offer zero constructive input and instead questioned my motivation.
Obviously you have little real technical knowledge to bring to the table so just move along and find something else to criticize and offer no actual advice.
That's just being cynical.
Derp.
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Originally Posted by Derply_78
You didn't disagree with me, I said it was an intake mismatch right from the start.
What you did was offer zero constructive input and instead questioned my motivation.
Obviously you have little real technical knowledge to bring to the table so just move along and find something else to criticize and offer no actual advice.
That's just being cynical.
Derp.
Yes what is your motive ? Why do all that to a motor , put in a big cam that is going to idle like crap from jump ( 3200+ stall required) and then choke it off on the intake and exhaust .

You stand a good chance of a fine tuning nightmare down low and at mid-range yet instead of answering my question you get offended and call names and make rude comments.

You started the topic and honestly your working yourself into a hype for nothing save it for when your done and you have to tune it and drive it light to light .

If i was trolling I would have started off with ..

You do not build a motor to suit an air cleaner.
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Yes what is your motive ? Why do all that to a motor , put in a big cam that is going to idle like crap from jump ( 3200+ stall required) and then choke it off on the intake and exhaust .

You stand a good chance of a fine tuning nightmare down low and at mid-range yet instead of answering my question you get offended and call names and make rude comments.

You started the topic and honestly your working yourself into a hype for nothing save it for when your done and you have to tune it and drive it light to light .

If i was trolling I would have started off with ..

You do not build a motor to suit an air cleaner.
Well first of all, it's 3000 rpm stall that's recomended by comp not 3200.
I have the right rear gear an a 4 speed so that's a moot point.
Second, your still wrong about the exhaust. It flows very free. The only thing long tubes will bring is high rpm scavenging that you would never even notice.
No hype here, just responding in the same manner which you presented.
Your questions are classic strawman shifts that aren't relevant. That's why I didn't answer. You attempted to shift the topic to my motivation and not offer anything constructive.

Yes, building a motor to suit the aircleaner is very weird. I'll give you that. That's why I came looking for opinions and options and have received a number of very informative and wonderful responses.
Yours being the one exception.

I have faith in my tuning skills and intakes are easy to change. I'll just leave it at that.
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just a FYI....diehrd does know what he is talking about... don't get mad... listen to what he has to say... he is correct... he just finished a 600hp build... imho.... good luck with your build... wish you the best,,,, here is my CAI

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Originally Posted by Derply_78
Well first of all, it's 3000 rpm stall that's recomended by comp not 3200.
I have the right rear gear an a 4 speed so that's a moot point.
http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=191&sb=2

Listed as 3200+ rpm. As you mentionedThe performer intake is a huge mismatch and is killing your engines performance. If I were not going single plane then I'd go with the rpm air gap. The lowest rise team g would be a good match, not perfect but better than a dual plane, it won't hurt the low end that much.
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