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Interesting that no one has mentioned what GM recommends.
That would be GM Synchromesh Fluid. I used that in my Muncie for years, and since Tremec recommends it for their TKO transmissions, I use it in my TKO600.
Synchromesh fluid is way too thin for a muncie. It is closer to a 30wt oil vs the 90wt required for the Muncie. It works well in applications that require a thinner lubricant like the Tremec TKO, Tremec T56, ZF-6, etc. but not in our 4 speeds.
I use the AMSOIL GL4 Manual Transmission and Transaxle lube in my Muncie.
Interesting that no one has mentioned what GM recommends.
That would be GM Synchromesh Fluid. I used that in my Muncie for years, and since Tremec recommends it for their TKO transmissions, I use it in my TKO600.
GM Synchromesh is TOO THIN!.....it's for modern manual transmissions that take a thin lube or ATF for lubrication.
For a Muncie 4 speed, you need a 80/90W gear oil rated "MT-1" for a transmission with bronze Syncro blocker rings. I like the Brad Penn gear lube, Amsoil has a synthetic rated MT-1, SWEPCO 201, Torco....which is what Richmond uses in their T-10 style transmissions.
I don't really care much for Sta-Lube products or many of the brands found at your FLAPS.
The GL5 oils do not damage the rings. Its a great marketing stunt that has created a demand for older GL-4 grade oils. Brad Penn makes a classic GL-4 now Driven oils has come up with a part synthetic GL-4.
GL-5 oils have more Sulfur content than GL-4. The "corrosion" you hear about will only happen if the GL-5 goes over 300 degrees. The "corrosion" will actually amount to a discoloration of the bronze ring to a dark brown color.
I've built 1000's of gearboxes never seen an issue with both GL-5 or GL4 oils. However people are demanding GL-4 oils now because of the hype generated on the internet. Typically I'm selling the Brad Penn Classic GL-4, The new Driven GL-4 as well as Royal Purple Max Gear lube 75wt. The Royal Purple is in all our endurance race boxes.
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Originally Posted by 4speeds
The GL5 oils do not damage the rings. Its a great marketing stunt that has created a demand for older GL-4 grade oils. Brad Penn makes a classic GL-4 now Driven oils has come up with a part synthetic GL-4.
GL-5 oils have more Sulfur content than GL-4. The "corrosion" you hear about will only happen if the GL-5 goes over 300 degrees. The "corrosion" will actually amount to a discoloration of the bronze ring to a dark brown color.
I've built 1000's of gearboxes never seen an issue with both GL-5 or GL4 oils. However people are demanding GL-4 oils now because of the hype generated on the internet. Typically I'm selling the Brad Penn Classic GL-4, The new Driven GL-4 as well as Royal Purple Max Gear lube 75wt. The Royal Purple is in all our endurance race boxes.
Paul
What I don't understand is why the demand for older GL4 when GM specified 'older' GL5? Does this fall under the category of internet myths?
I don't like to think of it as an internet myth but prior to forums and discussion boards people used whatever was in the auto parts store. You purchased gear lube at whatever viscosity you needed and that was it. Now instead if walking into the store and buying a couple of quarts of oil the consumer feels smart about researching online and asking questions and getting answers from people who for the most part rehash more information they have read about on forums and have very little to do with transmission repair ending up with threads like this. If you are in the oil business logic has it that if you get a leg up on the competition by offering something nobody else has then its a sale made and your brand may be used for diffs and engines as well. I sold and used Valvoline for years as well as Pennzoil. Never had an issue . Now Im stocking the Brad Penn and Driven GL4 oils which are relatively new to the market because of the frenzy created from online communities and to be honest because these oils are not in stores I sell more oil than I ever did.
GM Synchromesh is TOO THIN!.....it's for modern manual transmissions that take a thin lube or ATF ...
Gm synchromesh fluid works well in St10s and Muncies. It can leak in Muncie 4 speeds because of a lack of a front seal. Someone mentioned its used in the Tremec TKO. Please note that the TKO uses the same synchro system as the old 1960's Ford Toploader. The ligher oil helps make it shift better because of the increased gear train mass coupled with 1960's synchro technology. Often times when you have box with shifting issues such as intermediate grinds the lighter viscosity can help the warped rings grab better. I used this in the early 90's in most of my track boxes before newer oils hit the market.