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Old Jun 8, 2016 | 11:11 PM
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So I put a borgeson box in, coilovers and at the time removed my a arms to paint them. I had already rebuilt the front suspension years ago and it was in good shape. I dropped it off at the alignment shop today and they tell me they can't align it. Both sides have -2 degrees caster. We don't see anything unusual so I don't know were to start.
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So I put a borgeson box in, coilovers and at the time removed my a arms to paint them. I had already rebuilt the front suspension years ago and it was in good shape. I dropped it off at the alignment shop today and they tell me they can't align it. Both sides have -2 degrees caster. We don't see anything unusual so I don't know were to start.
How many shims are in the upper arms

Their should be more towards the rear mounting point vs the front mount point of the upper arm
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Old Jun 9, 2016 | 12:39 AM
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MAYBE the shop you went to didn't want the hassle of aligning a Corvette.......some shops are not capable of doing the job correctly, but they don't want to admit it.

Also........after I rebuilt and aligned my own suspension on my '68 project, I can understand why some shops won't touch the alignment on a Corvette......rusted bolts/nuts/shims take hours to loosen before the alignment can even be done.

And on top of all that.........all 4 wheels need to be aligned
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Old Jun 9, 2016 | 05:53 AM
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Yes would be interested to see the shim count.

My 71 with similar setup and I have 1 of the thinnest shims in front and as many as I could get in the back bolt giving me around 4 degrees positive. Also gave me a fair amount of camber but .....

Drives much better but am about to pull the front suspension again and fit Global West upper and lower arms to get even more caster with camber better under control.

I agree lots of alignment shops now find cars like the vette with shims etc etc a pain to work on and don't want the jobs as they don't get a good margin given the extra fiddling needed and can't charge for all the time.

More money to be made on quick alignments than ones that need extra effort.
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Originally Posted by doorgunner
MAYBE the shop you went to didn't want the hassle of aligning a Corvette.......some shops are not capable of doing the job correctly, but they don't want to admit it.

Also........after I rebuilt and aligned my own suspension on my '68 project, I can understand why some shops won't touch the alignment on a Corvette......rusted bolts/nuts/shims take hours to loosen before the alignment can even be done.

And on top of all that.........all 4 wheels need to be aligned
look for one that can do the job with header+ side pipes on the car
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How many shims are in the upper arms

Their should be more towards the rear mounting point vs the front mount point of the upper arm
None at the moment. He said he would have to put a ton of shims in the rear to get me to 2.75 pos. This shop does a lot of old vettes. I was recommended to go there.
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any chance you reversed the sides of the A-arms?
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None at the moment. He said he would have to put a ton of shims in the rear to get me to 2.75 pos. This shop does a lot of old vettes. I was recommended to go there.

Many years ago I had a similar problem on a 66 Mustang that also had badly negative caster. I finally found a shop that could think outside the box. They ordered longer bolts for the A arms so more shims could be added and fixed the problem. Not sure if longer bolts are available for your Vette, but it might be worth asking.
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any chance you reversed the sides of the A-arms?
That was the first thing I thought of. But we looked at them and they look like they're correct.
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Originally Posted by ronarndt
Many years ago I had a similar problem on a 66 Mustang that also had badly negative caster. I finally found a shop that could think outside the box. They ordered longer bolts for the A arms so more shims could be added and fixed the problem. Not sure if longer bolts are available for your Vette, but it might be worth asking.
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The bolts are pretty long. We could accommodate a lot of shims. The weird part is I hardly had any shims before I took it apart. Does lowering the car effect caster?
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