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Old Jun 23, 2016 | 04:33 PM
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Which C3 engine-driven accessories steal an appreciable amount of HP and in what order?
  • AC
  • Engine-Driven Fan
  • Water Pump
  • Fuel Pump
  • Alternator
  • etc...


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Old Jun 23, 2016 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NewbVetteGuy
Which C3 engine-driven accessories steal an appreciable amount of HP and in what order?
  • AC
  • Engine-Driven Fan
  • Water Pump
  • Fuel Pump
  • etc...


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Don't forget the alternator. I think I remember reading that all the accessories add up to 30% of the efficiency. The A/C compressor really only adds drag when the clutch is engaged.
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Thanks, Mark. What about the order of most HP sapping potential to least HP sapping potential?

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Ac
Water
Fuel
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AC - by far, assuming clutch is engaged

fan

water pump

fuel pump


Alternator varies greatly depending on elec demand

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AC - by far, assuming clutch is engaged



Alternator varies greatly depending on elec demand
But what if you are running an electric AC compressor....


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But what if you are running an electric AC compressor....


Didn't know they existed. But in that case the alternator load would be biggest, by far. The added alternator load would have to roughly equal the load of the belt driven compressor.
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But what if you are running an electric AC compressor....


Wow... You HAVE to be running an 2nd alternator just for that thing, right?

Can you give me more info on it? I had to try and lookup the website that's on it's sticker but it doesn't seem to exist any more.


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Originally Posted by BKbroiler
Didn't know they existed. But in that case the alternator load would be biggest, by far. The added alternator load would have to roughly equal the load of the belt driven compressor.
Jegs sells an electric compressor (looks like a traditional compressor; not like the one in the picture) and it consumes 34amps. Know how to convert from amps into Alternator HP stolen?

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Originally Posted by NewbVetteGuy
Jegs sells an electric compressor (looks like a traditional compressor; not like the one in the picture) and it consumes 34amps. Know how to convert from amps into Alternator HP stolen?

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Well call it 34x say 13.5 volts so volts x amps= Watts, 746 Watts is one HP.....you do the math, too lazy to fetch my calculator....surprised that comp can do the job in a car.....at .6 hp, maybe enough for a beer cooler in back.....

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Well call it 34x say 13.5 volts so volts x amps= Watts, 746 Watts is one HP.....you do the math, too lazy to fetch my calculator....surprised that comp can do the job in a car.....at .6 hp, maybe enough for a beer cooler in back.....

And that's 0.6 hp worth of electricity; that's assuming a 100% efficient alternator converting 0.6 hp worth of engine HP into 0.6 hp worth of electricity, right? (The actual engine HP consumed would be quite a bit higher.)


Great to see the math! Thanks!

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Originally Posted by NewbVetteGuy
Wow... You HAVE to be running an 2nd alternator just for that thing, right?

Can you give me more info on it? I had to try and lookup the website that's on it's sticker but it doesn't seem to exist any more.


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It's used for a 18 wheeler cabins. Several states and Canada have "no idle" laws- so this is one of the solutions where they can be in the sleeper w/ AC. Not impressed by the one from Jegs- as the control module doesn't look too weatherproof

Here's the website- http://cool-it.ca/

Also used on electric cars- looked a Prius but it's a 208v piece.

http://www.electriccarpartscompany.c...2kg_p_152.html
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The newer GM EFI systems model the engine output torque so they include the accessory draws. On my car,
The accessory torque (water pump, PS pump, alternator) is modeled as 4ft-lbs to 6ft-lbs going from 1000-6000rpm.
The AC compressor torque is modeled around 10-12 ft-lbs at normal pressures.

The electric compressor will be WAY more efficient because it is optimized to run at one speed. Same applies to electric fans. Both will use NO power when off too compared to engine driven which always use some power.
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Which C3 engine-driven accessories steal an appreciable amount of HP and in what order?

The auto trans will be No1 if you have one lol
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