brake lines leak at fitting
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Melting Slicks
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From: Stafford Va
Yep to all I bought a reverse brake bleeder the V-12 from Phoenix. The front are perfect no air at all. I am so close with the rears but... I have C4 calibers since it has 95 suspension under it. This bleeder got great reviews and for the price of $135 it would cost me that to have someone else do it. I have my fingers crossed.
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Yep to all I bought a reverse brake bleeder the V-12 from Phoenix. The front are perfect no air at all. I am so close with the rears but... I have C4 calibers since it has 95 suspension under it. This bleeder got great reviews and for the price of $135 it would cost me that to have someone else do it. I have my fingers crossed.
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Melting Slicks
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Well I reverse bled my rear brakes with my new phoenix brake bleeding system, no air bubbles after a few pumps and the pedal is soft like when I start to back up, 1/2 mph the pedal goes to the floor and is very soft and the car keeps rolling. I give up will need someone to fix it. I have never had a problem in my other builds.:waveflag:
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Well I reverse bled my rear brakes with my new phoenix brake bleeding system, no air bubbles after a few pumps and the pedal is soft like when I start to back up, 1/2 mph the pedal goes to the floor and is very soft and the car keeps rolling. I give up will need someone to fix it. I have never had a problem in my other builds.:waveflag:
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Melting Slicks
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From: Stafford Va
Deal! I think I am going to get rid of the Wilwood and go with the C3 setup. They tell me that reverse bleeding is not what they recommend. They also said it only takes 10 strokes to bleed the master cylinder and mine took 35 minutes.
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I forget where I got it, but I have an aluminum c3 master that cost $100, is lighter, never rusts, and looks identical. BTW. It works great.
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At this point, I doubt it's a bleeding issue. If you have a firm pedal and then it loses pressure with use, it sounds like it might be a problem with the master cylinder. I've had brand new out of the box clutch masters that were bad.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Stafford Va
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Melting Slicks
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Neil what are you using for a brakes set up
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Chris McDonald (former owner) set up the brakes. I haven't touched them other than to cure the seeping lines at the rear. The calipers are rebuilt C3 calipers and the master is an aftermarket unit. Looks like it might be a CPP master. I do recall Chris fighting to get them bled as well.
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I have an aluminum master cyl from Pirate Jack Racing, been on the car for about ten years now, maybe more....and it's purrfect in that I eliminated that 'prop' valve on the front frame there, subbed in a splitter for the front calipers, back brake line to cyl directly rear port/closest to fire wall, front port to front brakes.....to bleed, this is the funny part....
note that in the screw on top, there are one or two slots leading to above the rubber gasket, to allow air in there above the gasket should a cat *** trophic thing happen.....pump more fluid to the lines....
well, to bleed the brakes, take your air hose and with the ported nozzle, aim the air in on top of the gasket/bellows in the lid, that will pressure the system without pumping and force fluid through the lines/calipers...
same as I did many years ago to the stock iron caliper with the clip on top....drilled two small holes in the steel stamping top, and forced in air to pressure the fluid through the system.....
GOD I"m LAZY!!!!!
note that in the screw on top, there are one or two slots leading to above the rubber gasket, to allow air in there above the gasket should a cat *** trophic thing happen.....pump more fluid to the lines....
well, to bleed the brakes, take your air hose and with the ported nozzle, aim the air in on top of the gasket/bellows in the lid, that will pressure the system without pumping and force fluid through the lines/calipers...
same as I did many years ago to the stock iron caliper with the clip on top....drilled two small holes in the steel stamping top, and forced in air to pressure the fluid through the system.....
GOD I"m LAZY!!!!!
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Melting Slicks
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From: Stafford Va
Chris McDonald (former owner) set up the brakes. I haven't touched them other than to cure the seeping lines at the rear. The calipers are rebuilt C3 calipers and the master is an aftermarket unit. Looks like it might be a CPP master. I do recall Chris fighting to get them bled as well.
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Are the threads crossed threaded a bit at the MC? I would use just a dab of thread sealant on the threads and give it a shot.
I do a lot of high pressure flare ends in the HVAC business. I find flare connections are good for maybe 2 retourqes and that's it. Remember you are using pressure and force to clamp a metal to metal connection with no gasket. Stretching takes place and they do tear and crack. Have to probably cut to good material and reflare.
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At this point I would call Wilwood tech line and ask them what they recommend. Then I would make an appointment with a professional brake shop and have the car flat bedded to them to check your system to determine what is wrong. It could be a combination of several small things.