Just dropped by ol' Doc Rebuild's site to see if he'd crucified any new forum members, & I was reading the one where it states that he contacted the elementary school principal's superiors and the others where he posts all of their personal data.

If you click on my profile, you'll see I've deleted EVERYTHING that could identify me or where I work. Might be a good idea if everyone did this--you never know when someone is going to get it in his head to try to spank you with your own profile because he didn't like something you wrote here.

Just my .02.

[EDIT: you'll notice I've changed the statement above about the principal from "sounds like he basically ruined one member's life"--the doc has asked me to "retract" that phrase, so consider it retracted. So far as I know, Dr. Rebuild hasn't ruined anyone's life. As I said below, I'm not trying to bash Dr. Rebuild, just point out my reservations about the user profile system here]

JB


[Modified by JB, 11:27 PM 9/30/2002]

 

I've always been hesitant to put down my name, town, etc.. just because some people might get bored and try to locate me and attempt to steal my car or something... I think I'll delete my identity from here now!

 

Doc Rebuild and a HS principal???/ what gives??? dunno a think about it...

I"m not paranoid anyway, too damn old and ornery for that....

however the ghosts of deals past will soon be revealed....

GENE

 

My thought is this:

Who cares?

Dr. Rebuild, from what I read, used his freedom of speech. That's it. And in doing so, he runs the risk of looking like a fool. But he also makes some good points.

I don't use handles and all that, because I want you all to know who you're dealing with. I'm not afraid of you knowing who I am and where I live, I'm not ashamed of it. I'm right here folks. If we conduct ourselves, here on the forum, as we do in the rest of our lives, then we'll have nothing to fear.

Some poor SOB coming to find us? Steal our cars? Paranoid? Come on. You could be pumping gas and have someone follow you home.

Give me a break.

:rolleyes:

 

This is the first I have heard about all this and as you can imagine it sounds pretty broken up.
so you have a thread link that could hook me up with so I can get the whole story.
Aaron

 

Joe, do you really think conducting yourself on the forum with the same honor & truthfulness you would in your life will somehow protect you?

Before you make up your mind on that, you ought to read the webpage. I'm not talking about bad mouthing you on his page--read the one about the elementary school principal & how the Dr. went after the guy's job, then tell me to give you a break. Doesn't matter if he's right or not, only whether he's got a beef with you--I don't want someone calling my boss or posting my address & phone # on the web. That's just being careful--anything else, IMHO, is being careless.

I won't post the URL, but all you have to do is do a google search for the page, go there, and click the link at the bottom labled "perverts."

JB


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just changed mine....thanks!


'74 L-48 4 speed

 

If someone wants to find you, or find out something about you they will. Deleting your profile information really doesn't matter. If I really wanted to get dirt on someone I'd steal their computer, I've seen a forensic computer program that can tell amazing things about your surfing habits. I've also found people who tried to "not be found" so a user profile won't matter much. My biggest worry on the net is those friggin spammers (who should be removed from the planet). You could get robbed, car stolen, beaten up, etc just from some anonymous wacko who sees you at the local grocery store. Luckily I live where you can raise the odds against the bad guys.

As for Doc Rebuild, never dealt with him. As for his web site, I'll keep my comments to myself since I don't have anything nice to say about it.

 

I am very sympathetic with the idea of maintaining your privacy. On the other hand, I have nothing to hide.... I am listed in the phone book, my name is Mark Jackson, I live in Summit NJ (see my profile) I am 100 years old :lol: (I can't tell you everything!!) I try to be very careful about what I post. Here are 2 ways to think about everything you post. 1) This is the old thought: I like to think that my boss could be standing right behind me watching me as I post on the forum and I have nothing to be worried about. and more recently I had reason to look at it this way: If I die tomorrow and somebody does a search on all topics created by MNJack, I wouldnt want anything to pop up that I would be embarassed about. After Jack78 died I did just that, and he really left behind quite a collection of posts. I think they printed them off and sent them to his family. Some really nice stuff, thoughtful, funny, nothing at all embarassing.. MJ

 

Don't know him don't care, he sounds like a real tool I have nothing to hide

 

Very odd website for a business. :confused:

 

I want to add that this isn't really about the unpleasantness on the D.R. site--it's the idea that he got the information he used from user profiles on this forum. Which means anyone could use that info against you like he did against the elementary school principal guy.

I've got no illusions that taking that info. out of my profile makes me safe from someone screwing with me. But why make it easy? I try not to post anything here or anywhere else (or even send stuff email) that could ever come back to bite me. But the fact is, you don't have to say anything really wrong to have someone call up your boss and say something nasty or post your address someplace even nastier than the D.R. "perverts" page (how about on some of those child molester news groups?). All you got to do is say something to **** someone off.

JB

 

:( :(

Hoped the forum would be a great place to get away from life's drama.

 

IMO, anyone can do what they think they have to do toward someone. I have not read the story in question, but it sounds like the principal is "taking it sitting down". He could recipricate if he wanted to.....

I don't believe that anyone should fear living, just be cautious, if something happens, BE FIRM.

I believe, "you mess with the bull, you get the horns".

 

Well here's new e-problem (new to me) to be concerned about. It's an unscrupulously e-methodology known as "GHOSTING." I 've just discovered I've been "ghosted." Meaning that some MFSOB has a "program" that will capture my e-mail addy ... then his program uses my addy to send e-mail/spam/god knows what all to god only knows who. Trouble is, this e-mail appears to have been sent by me! The way I found out about this is that a certain "rocket scientist" ghosted me ... then spammed a bunch of addys ... but my addy was one of the ones he spammed ... I got a spam from myself ...WTF! I contacted my ISP ... they said they would notify this cretin that his priveleges may be suspended. I asked if there were any criminal code to prosecute ... ISP said no. I actually fear that some MFSOB may ghost me and then use my addy to advertize kiddie **** or commit fraud! I don't wanna get accused (much less prosecuted) for such crimes. Here's one crime I will commit ... if I can get my hands on my ghoster ... I'll commit assault & battery!

 

I agree jackson, that is :bs . I can't believe there is not enough technology to track this crap or better yet prevent it.....
Speaking of profiles, I see you have a 71, please register your vette @ http://www.71corvette.com.

 

JB-

I understand what you are saying. And no, I would not like Dr. R. to call my boss and flame me. That would suck. For both me and eventually, Dr. Rebuild. Dr. R. goes out on a limb when he does that. There are some people, even if you're Dr. R., that you shouldn't mess with.

Also, I've ordered from Dr. Rebuild. And his stuff is really good. And I appreciate the way he does business. He's up front and honest, even if it borders on silly. Having to work with the public myself, every day, I sympathize with Dr. Rebuild, because there are a lot of petty, silly people out there. Who are just too dumb for their own good. I wish I could set up a website like his...

I deal with Dr. Rebuild knowing that if I treat him fairly, and pay him money that is rightfully his, for products that meet my expectations, he will treat me fairly. And not call my boss or label me a pervert. If you read what's going on, with the people he flames, it's not hard to see his side as well.

And let's face it. Dr. Rebuild worked hard to build his business. When faced with people who use this forum in a way that can potentially do him harm, what's he to do? And it has to sting, that his detractors do it all from behind an internet handle. I mean, we all know where he lives and conducts business, right? Why should the flamethrowers be allowed to do so anonymously? Doesn't sound fair to me. I think he's just leveling the playing field.

Lastly, it's naive to think simply removing your personal info will protect you from someone who really wants a piece of you. And my question, in those cases, beyond the obvious "who?," is the more important "why?" In Dr. Rebuild's case, the "why?" is obvious.

 

I've purchased a heater gasket kit from Dr. Rebuild and I must say the product and service was great. That was several years ago and I haven't been by his web site for some time (although I probably will soon as my headlights are getting droopy).

I visited his site and read the pages in question and I have to say that I sympathize with the good Doctor.

The Internet and forums like this bring out the best and worst in people. Internet anonymity has unfortunately given people the power to speak their minds without the same checks and balances found in conventional face-to-face communications.

Simply put, it's all too easy to hype a product or badmouth a company behind this veil of anonymity - and unfortunately it happens all too often. People often think they can write anything they wish, regardless of the truth and in some cases these people have a hidden agenda driven by competitive greed.

If you look at some of the other Doctor's pages...

http://docrebuild.com/dr-r-web/SECURITY.HTML

... you can see another side of the Doctor, and I'm frankly not too worried. He sounds like an interesting, honest guy and as a business owner and entrepreneur myself, I would like to meet the man.

-Jim Anders




[Modified by 74_LS-4, 11:51 PM 9/29/2002]

 

Joe, Jim--I want to reiterate here, I'm not bashing Dr. Rebuild. The stuff on his site's been talked to death here in the past anyway, however anyone feels about it one way or the other. Hey, it's his page & his ulcers.

I just read what happened to the principle guy, and I think 1)hope I never **** anyone off that bad here, and 2)if I do, I don't think I'd like whoever it is to be able to just go to my user profile and come up with info like where I live and what I do for a living, or even my email address. With that info, even a internet dimwit like me can find out a LOT of information about someone. If you had my full name and town I live in, I guarantee you could easily be calling my boss in the morning.

Like the title says, it's paranoia, I guess. But I think a little paranoia is a healthy thing these days, and I'm personally not comfortable with the level of information the forum profile provides. I've made good friends here on the forum, and I email them and meet them at shows and they know who I am and what I do. I don't think anyone else really needs to.

Again, just my .02.

JB