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Old Aug 6, 2017 | 10:59 AM
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I was wondering, what is 1 dyno hp compared to real rear wheel hp?
I know there is different transmission, tyre and rear ends ec, but still is the a guide line, for "normal" street fighter cars?





P.s not my engine :- )
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Old Aug 6, 2017 | 11:01 AM
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I would like to know too.
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You mean Engine Dyno Vs Rear Wheel Dyno?
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Old Aug 6, 2017 | 12:29 PM
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Not sure I fully understand your question, but there are far too many variables for a simple or accurate answer.

Dynojet vs. Mustang dynos will give the same car different results. I would guess that Lab (engine) Dynos also vary in results from one brand to another.

A 400hp (gross) engine installed in a no option Corvette with only the water pump, alternator and a 4spd will give better RWHP results than the same 400hp engine installed in a highly optioned Corvette (PS, AC, A.I.R., Automatic).

I dynoed both my engine before and after rebuild and I also dynoed the chassis before and after the engine rebuild. I used the same engine and chassis dynos for both results.

285hp (gross) / 217 rwhp, a 23.85% loss
341hp (gross) / 245 rwhp, a 28.15% loss

You'll notice the weaker engine had less performance loss (23%) between gross and rwhp. That's because the standard Corvette exhaust can only flow X amount of air. The new stronger engine was capable of pushing more air, so the very same exhaust created a larger performance loss (28%). Had I installed a 600hp (gross) engine, the performance loss would have been even larger.

If I added headers after the rebuild, my performance loss would have been less. The variables are endless.
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Originally Posted by ddawson
You mean Engine Dyno Vs Rear Wheel Dyno?
No, "PC dyno 2003" -v- real rear wheel hp
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Old Aug 6, 2017 | 12:32 PM
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15-25% loss is normal
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Originally Posted by c3_dk
No, "PC dyno 2003" -v- real rear wheel hp
OK Let me gather my data and you can plug it in.

I have a rear wheel dyno run of my 496.
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Try this,

4.250" stroke
4.310" Bore
Edelbrock Street Heads
Intake valve diameter: 2.19"
Exhaust valve diameter: 1.88"
Compression Ration 9.8:1
Quick Fuel 830
LS6 Intake Manifold
Exhaust, Hedmen Headers under car to Mufflers
Cam Shaft,
Adv. Dur 288/294
.050” Duration 229/235
.200” Duration 145/147
Centers 103/111
LSA 107

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I'm curious to see this. Mostly to see the side by side with DDawson within actual and inputted. I'm sure there would be other contributing factors such as elevation, humidity and all but I want to see how close it is.
Also I don't have a dyno anywhere near my town and I have a similar build to DDawson.

If there's time, throw my numbers in there only if you have a chance please

4.250" stroke
4.310" Bore
Edelbrock Performer RPM heads
Intake valve diameter: 2.19"
Exhaust valve diameter: 1.88"
Compression Ration 10.4:1
Quick Fuel 1050 AN (Annular Booster)
LS6 Intake Manifold (Dual plane, low rise pancake)
Exhaust, Hedmen Headers under car to Mufflers
Cam Shaft, Hydraulic roller
Adv. Dur 294/300
.050” Duration 242/248
Lift .540/.560
LSA 110

Again, I'm curious to see actual vs.inputted and to see the cam and carb difference with DD.

Cheers
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op what are you trying to accomplish or plan?

th 15-25% comment is typical trans tires etc have an effect. Wouldnt base your build on a dyno simulator

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Originally Posted by ddawson
Try this,

4.250" stroke
4.310" Bore
Edelbrock Street Heads
Intake valve diameter: 2.19"
Exhaust valve diameter: 1.88"
Compression Ration 9.8:1
Quick Fuel 830
LS6 Intake Manifold
Exhaust, Hedmen Headers under car to Mufflers
Cam Shaft,
Adv. Dur 288/294
.050” Duration 229/235
.200” Duration 145/147
Centers 103/111
LSA 107

Hi,

I will try, can you tell me the manufactor part number for the cam and the heads?

Originally Posted by Ryan Menzies
I'm curious to see this. Mostly to see the side by side with DDawson within actual and inputted. I'm sure there would be other contributing factors such as elevation, humidity and all but I want to see how close it is.
Also I don't have a dyno anywhere near my town and I have a similar build to DDawson.

If there's time, throw my numbers in there only if you have a chance please

4.250" stroke
4.310" Bore
Edelbrock Performer RPM heads
Intake valve diameter: 2.19"
Exhaust valve diameter: 1.88"
Compression Ration 10.4:1
Quick Fuel 1050 AN (Annular Booster)
LS6 Intake Manifold (Dual plane, low rise pancake)
Exhaust, Hedmen Headers under car to Mufflers
Cam Shaft, Hydraulic roller
Adv. Dur 294/300
.050” Duration 242/248
Lift .540/.560
LSA 110

Again, I'm curious to see actual vs.inputted and to see the cam and carb difference with DD.

Cheers
Can you tell me the manufactor part number for the cam and heads?

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op what are you trying to accomplish or plan?

th 15-25% comment is typical trans tires etc have an effect. Wouldnt base your build on a dyno simulator
I was just wondering.
I would never build a engine based on dyno simulator, never :- )

I was just thinking, what is real life, and what does the dyno simulator say.

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Old Aug 7, 2017 | 03:26 PM
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Edelbrock #50459 or #50449

Clay Smith Cam Grind # HR-8894-7-CSR
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Old Aug 7, 2017 | 06:10 PM
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OP,

Worked over Edelbrock 6055 heads.
Comp cams 11-443-8. XR294HR grind

Cheers
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Old Aug 9, 2017 | 05:41 AM
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I have had this comment for many a decade .....

you measure horsepower, and you DRIVE torque......

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My LS3 with 495hp/478tq advertised at crank just put down 409hp/400tq on dyno. A lot of factors to consider as you pointed out, but mine ran through a t56 Magnum and a HD clutch which certainly added a little more to the loss.

Decent articles which starts to capture a lot of the factors affecting parasitic loss.
http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...in-power-loss/
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp-...in-power-loss/

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