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Old Oct 3, 2002 | 10:10 PM
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Emissions failed miserably today. 3700 ppm NOx. I get an intermittent 'check engine' light when the system hits closed-loop (code indicates O2 sensor). The OBD hook-up at my shop said the O2 sensor's only slightly out of range. They feel it's the cat (which could be true 'cause I think its been running extra lean for awhile which could've over heated the cat and burnt it up). The car's got 49K miles on it (not that that means anything on a 20-year-old car).

My question is, could an O2 sensor, which is on the cusp of failing, rocket the NOx levels that high? The HC levels were fine.

Thanks for any insight.

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Old Oct 4, 2002 | 12:21 AM
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^ bump. Sorry. Maybe some of you guys run inspection stations.
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Old Oct 4, 2002 | 12:44 AM
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If I remember my lesson correctly, NOx results of a combustion happening at over (1200 degrees f)(Not sure how much). That's the main reason they put an EGR valve on the engine. It puts exhaust gases in the combustion chamber to cool the temperature in order to reduce the NOx emission. You could check your EGR valve if it operates correctly. Otherwise, a clogged cat produce a lot of heat and maybe enough to transform the exhaust gases in NOx.

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If I remember my lesson correctly, NOx results of a combustion happening at over (1200 degrees f)(Not sure how much). That's the main reason they put an EGR valve on the engine. It puts exhaust gases in the combustion chamber to cool the temperature in order to reduce the NOx emission. You could check your EGR valve if it operates correctly. Otherwise, a clogged cat produce a lot of heat and maybe enough to transform the exhaust gases in NOx.
I agree. With our 91 Prelude, the bad O2 sensor caused high carbon Monoxide readings, but when replaced only lowered the NOx slightly. The book on my Prelude says to check EGR valve and the cat. I'ver newver done this, but if your cats fried, I think it's suppoded to rattle some when you bang on it. Others will hope chime in with how to check the cat. On your car the EGR valve should be easy to replace, but it may not be the valve, the passage in the intake manifold may be clogged with carbon. Mine was when I pulled it off.
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Thanks guys. I did perform a routine check on the EGR not too long ago. No vacuum was applied, but I did a diaphram squeeze w/ the engine warm. The pintle seemed to move correctly. Could be carbon deposits. I'm confused. Sometimes I Hate Newer Combustion Engines!!!

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egr valve and catalytic convertor are the 2 main things for high nox.
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If I remember my lesson correctly, NOx results of a combustion happening at over (1200 degrees f)(Not sure how much). That's the main reason they put an EGR valve on the engine. It puts exhaust gases in the combustion chamber to cool the temperature in order to reduce the NOx emission.
Huh? The EGR valve puts HOT exhaust gases into the intake where there would be normally cool (relative to the exhaust gas temp) air coming in. I really don't know the primary function of the EGR, but it doesn't make sense to me that it is to cool anything.
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