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Old 01-08-2019, 01:09 AM
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And 2 of these... :-)
we can find out what ever you dream to know:-)



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Dang....if I remember right those things cost a small fortune. Let's see some cool four probe color plot pictures!

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I used to own a vary large communications company
had 5 retail stores around 50 employees... sold to the .gov 60% of bussnses
we were a authorized repair center for Motorola and 10-15 other communications equipment manufacturers
when I sold out to Nextel/sprint I keep all my electronics equipment (I owned the frequency’s they needed at that time in my area)
my favorite piece is my shlumburger 4032 serivecd monitor
i could fix anything with that unit... original cost, $25,000...
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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
I "thinkl" I read some of the later units like the one I use has less ripple. (Maybe Boones Farm).
,You posted dual diodes. If that actually means it is 6-phase and 12 diodes then it would have less ripple compared to the typical 3-phase, 6 diode unit. That wasn't a factory GM configuration for the alternator, but it could be something Powermaster did on that unit for more power compared to the stock unit it was based on.
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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
,You posted dual diodes. If that actually means it is 6-phase and 12 diodes then it would have less ripple compared to the typical 3-phase, 6 diode unit. That wasn't a factory GM configuration for the alternator, but it could be something Powermaster did on that unit for more power compared to the stock unit it was based on.
Dual fans.....External diodes....
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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
Dual fans.....External diodes....
Well, count them. If there are 12 then it might have a lower ripple compared to one with 6.
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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Well, count them. If there are 12 then it might have a lower ripple compared to one with 6.
I'll go look. Meanwhile, I copied this, and I think it's what I read before about the later units:

In the early 80s, GM began an experiment called the “X” car many of us remember as Chevy Citations and Buick Skylarks. These FWD transverse mounted four-cylinder engines were quite underpowered and prone to stalling and even strange tail pipe vibration as the two-pin GM “Delcotron” alternators were immediately turned on to a full-field condition in order to take care of a sudden increase of 12-volt accessory demand. Not quite ready to trust “F.R.E.D.” to handle voltage regulation, the GM/Delco Remy CS series alternators were born in order to gently ramp up the field current when a sudden current increase was demanded. As the alternator sensed internal voltage at the output post or external voltage at the new four-pin regulator’s new “S” terminal (tied to a strategic spot in the wiring harness), the smarter voltage regulator would ramp up the PWM of a duty cycle running at 400 Hz. Since this was all internal to the alternator, unless you were a rebuilder or a geek, you would have never known.
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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Well, count them. If there are 12 then it might have a lower ripple compared to one with 6.




Just 6 diodes. I do like they are external, (Cooler), and you can change brushes without disassembly.

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Here's a really external one- 12 diodes

https://alternatorparts.com/quicktif...rectifier.html



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It may have 12 diodes inside but it's still a 3-phase rectifier so it doesn't help with the ripple much, if any. The diodes must be in parallel.
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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
I'll go look. Meanwhile, I copied this, and I think it's what I read before about the later units:

In the early 80s, GM began an experiment called the “X” car many of us remember as Chevy Citations and Buick Skylarks. These FWD transverse mounted four-cylinder engines were quite underpowered and prone to stalling and even strange tail pipe vibration as the two-pin GM “Delcotron” alternators were immediately turned on to a full-field condition in order to take care of a sudden increase of 12-volt accessory demand. Not quite ready to trust “F.R.E.D.” to handle voltage regulation, the GM/Delco Remy CS series alternators were born in order to gently ramp up the field current when a sudden current increase was demanded. As the alternator sensed internal voltage at the output post or external voltage at the new four-pin regulator’s new “S” terminal (tied to a strategic spot in the wiring harness), the smarter voltage regulator would ramp up the PWM of a duty cycle running at 400 Hz. Since this was all internal to the alternator, unless you were a rebuilder or a geek, you would have never known.
The CS alternators also have much better idle performance and are more efficient which I would believe are the main reasons for that design. The SI alternators used an analog regulator so they could have had a delay added by adding a capacitor if that was the only change desired.
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Originally Posted by lionelhutz
The CS alternators also have much better idle performance and are more efficient which I would believe are the main reasons for that design. The SI alternators used an analog regulator so they could have had a delay added by adding a capacitor if that was the only change desired.
95Amperes at idle. Weighs 12 pounds. Win win.
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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
95Amperes at idle. Weighs 12 pounds. Win win.
Well, when needed, I will change to a CS 144 maybe I can junkyard one cheap.....

hate to guess what an AMERICAN rebuilt one would cost......;-(
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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
95Amperes at idle. Weighs 12 pounds. Win win.
Wow...95 Amps at idle! Curious what is that kind of power used for?

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Wow...95 Amps at idle! Curious what is that kind of power used for?

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Not me. I liked the weight, and I can install a stocker in 10 minutes.
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Originally Posted by mrvette
Well, when needed, I will change to a CS 144 maybe I can junkyard one cheap.....

hate to guess what an AMERICAN rebuilt one would cost......;-(
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pwm-82071 Made in USA, 12lbs, just switch the sheave, plug in adapter, and done deal.

Go back to stock SI, unplug adapter, switch sheave, done.
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If you want an even better alternator then go to the AD series, AD-230 or AD-244.

Even not using the full 95A at idle, you need around that current to maintain a steady 14V at idle with electric fans and lights and such all running at one. Heck, just the 2 brake light bulbs draw almost 4A when you press the brake pedal so it all adds up.

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So Gene, had a chance to work on this? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Three: One to insist the schedule needs to be moved to the right,
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Originally Posted by Big2Bird
So Gene, had a chance to work on this? Inquiring minds want to know.
Sorry Jeff, too damn cold here the last few daze, and other issues running wild....and having just put the 3rd alt in there, I let it fail first.....be a while, I hope.....I did use a CS144 on a camper I did some dozen years ago...feeding a marine deep cycle for the inverter, as well as the 24 series for starting....

but these daze my spine and other arthritic areas just slo my enthusiasm to nothing anymore...damnit....



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