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Old Jan 20, 2019 | 04:45 PM
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Pushrods can be reused. No need to replace based on my experience
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Old Jan 21, 2019 | 06:46 AM
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That notch in the deck to unshroud the intake is worth 30 hp by itself.
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Old Jan 21, 2019 | 07:39 AM
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Standard operating procedure is to zero deck an engine based on your rotating assembly. .025 is a nice bump in compression and when cut will be a nice flat sealing surface. Use a Fel-Pro .041 gasket here.
Putting more cam in this engine without increasing compression is shooting yourself in the foot. Compression on its own increases power but it's real benefit is to set the groundwork for other items to enhance power.
The 454HO could use closer to 10 to 1 with a real camshaft.

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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 427Hotrod
Decking is a nice to have sort of deal for what you're doing...but you could just use some .020 steel shim gaskets.

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Listen to this guy, he's the expert on running tight quench. Word is he keeps his tight to keep the rods from stretching LOL.

Kidding aside, this guy knows his way around a big block build.

I have EVERY engine I build decked to leave the pistons .005 in the hole. As long as you don't screw up royally, it's a machining procedure that you'll only have to have done once and you'll reap the benefits every time you step on the loud pedal.
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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 12:15 PM
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Think I'll go ahead and have it decked while its apart. I know if I don't I'll always be wondering what I might have left on the table. Oh well its only money..........
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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hamrad
Think I'll go ahead and have it decked while its apart. I know if I don't I'll always be wondering what I might have left on the table. Oh well its only money..........
Mock up your new assembly and measure how far the piston is in the hole and have it milled that much to zero deck.....

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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by L88Plus
Listen to this guy, he's the expert on running tight quench. Word is he keeps his tight to keep the rods from stretching LOL.

Kidding aside, this guy knows his way around a big block build.

I have EVERY engine I build decked to leave the pistons .005 in the hole. As long as you don't screw up royally, it's a machining procedure that you'll only have to have done once and you'll reap the benefits every time you step on the loud pedal.
Hey..mine are .009" OUT of the hole. A little rubbin' never hurt anyone.....LOL

There's actually a lot of OEM engines that were built that way. Ford did it in '86 or so on 302's and others and Mopar had some small block ones way up out of there. Right gaskets makes it all come together.



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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 06:01 PM
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just a smidgen LOL

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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 06:05 PM
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its totally worth it, as said it will be more efficient, detonation resistant and responsive.
A good balance job is money well spent too!
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Old Jan 23, 2019 | 06:50 PM
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Mine are .006" out of the hole. I used to set the race engines up to where the piston and head were just showing signs of touching and then take a couple thousands off.

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Old Jan 24, 2019 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by hamrad
Think I'll go ahead and have it decked while its apart. I know if I don't I'll always be wondering what I might have left on the table. Oh well its only money..........
If it's something your machinist knows how to do safely, have them add the "eyebrows" - notches in the tops of the bores to provide additional valve unshrouding. My local shop charges $8/hole and have worked up a jig to make it almost foolproof. This is another machining step that only has to be done once and you'll reap the benefits from now on.

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Old Jan 24, 2019 | 12:05 PM
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I'll ask about the eyebrow notching. If they can't do this is this something I can do? I am already at .100 over bore.
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Old Jan 24, 2019 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hamrad
I'll ask about the eyebrow notching. If they can't do this is this something I can do? I am already at .100 over bore.
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If you are at 4.350 bore then notching will help very little....I think it is all but disappeared at 4.350.
Stock 454 Fel Pro Gasket is 4.380....and you cannot notch past it.....so....

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Old Jan 24, 2019 | 12:33 PM
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Yep. I'd still bolt a head down and flip it over on the engine stand and see how much of a ledge there is where the combustion chamber overhangs the cylinder bore. It might not be much, but once it's done, the HP is free. It'll have to have at least some affect on turbulence and flow.
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Old Jan 24, 2019 | 01:40 PM
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its the little details like that where two identical engines can make noticabley different power.
Most cheap out and skip it (like most crate engines)
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Old Jan 24, 2019 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by L88Plus
Yep. I'd still bolt a head down and flip it over on the engine stand and see how much of a ledge there is where the combustion chamber overhangs the cylinder bore. It might not be much, but once it's done, the HP is free. It'll have to have at least some affect on turbulence and flow.
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