Offshore parts interesting read
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Offshore parts interesting read
Engine builder magazine has an interesting read on offshore parts manufacturing if anyone is interested.
https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2019/06/a-look-into-manufacturing-in-china/
I probably posted in the wrong forum. Feel free to move it.
https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2019/06/a-look-into-manufacturing-in-china/
I probably posted in the wrong forum. Feel free to move it.
Le Mans Master
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I've both wrenched on and flown in same red chinese fighter-trainer ... very good. Their makers have advanced Q capability.
Ultimately, it boils down to how much the customer is willing to pay ...
... that "customer" being the american businessman who contracts with the chinese to produce a lower-cost alternative. Crap quality is "our" fault.
RE: Those crappy electric/pneumatic power tools at those nationally-known, Kali-HQ'd storefronts ...
... I know (as in KNOW) they are systematically re-contracted & re-engineered ...
... by first one china maker, then another, and another & another ... notice them having slightly different part numbers for essentially same piece? ....
... how much cheaper than the other zillion Guangzhou manufacturers can you make this drill motor today?
Burning Brakes
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Funny, I have been saying exactly what that article has written for years and always gotten shot down violently, especially here on these forums. I guess when someone puts it on a webpage and not in a forum response it suddenly becomes credible.
Burning Brakes
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Great article! As a top tool maker, I have been involved in manufacturing since the late 60's, before the Chinese "invasion." The bulk of my experience was in the quality control area, building gages for the automotive and medical devise industries. As the nation's manufacturing started going overseas, quality was a huge problem. In some areas it still is. If the partnership uses Scat and Manley's approach the odds getting a superior part are greatly increased. As a consumer, if you buy solely on price, you will be disappointed. Dealing with a company that values its reputation is most important. All that aside, I still try to buy US made products, because I know it will help keep the jobs here, although it gets more difficult every day.
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Quote from the article: "The perception of Chinese product in some circles is that it’s low quality and the United States is automatically better. That may have been true in the beginning, but it’s not necessarily so today, say experts."
And it's a big circle in here.
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I try as well. But it bothers me when companies plaster 'Made in the U.S.A.' with a flag on the package because, in my opinion, they're implying quality is better just because its Made in the U.S.A. There's so much crap made here.
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Burning Brakes
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The world is no longer steamboats and mail delivered on mules. We have a global economy now and it means that the global market is also available to us...for good or ill.
When looking for parts from anywhere, check to see if the manufacturer adheres to ISO 9001 standards. If so, your chances of getting a quality part just went WAY up, regardless of where it is made.
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Hate to say it but ISO 9001 is no guarantee of a quality product either.
Burning Brakes
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Unfortunately, in many cases, the bottom line is the only thing some companies are concerned about. I know of a defense contractor that falsified reports to uncle Sam. You know there's a problem when the FBI shows up at your business with a search warrant and hauls away your computers and files. In another instance, a friend was QC manager at a large business. One day the CEO called him to the office and told him he had to re-write some inspection reports because the company couldn't afford to correct the parts. He tossed his keys on the desk and walked out.
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There is so much crap made everywhere. The trick is to find a quality part, no matter where it comes from. That said, my first choice is ALWAYS to buy USA made simply because I prefer to keep my money domestically however if my choices are a median product made in the USA or a superior product made overseas then my money goes overseas.
The world is no longer steamboats and mail delivered on mules. We have a global economy now and it means that the global market is also available to us...for good or ill.
When looking for parts from anywhere, check to see if the manufacturer adheres to ISO 9001 standards. If so, your chances of getting a quality part just went WAY up, regardless of where it is made.
The world is no longer steamboats and mail delivered on mules. We have a global economy now and it means that the global market is also available to us...for good or ill.
When looking for parts from anywhere, check to see if the manufacturer adheres to ISO 9001 standards. If so, your chances of getting a quality part just went WAY up, regardless of where it is made.
Some things we're simply incapable of making. Apple said our biggest problem is supply chain.
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YUP!! The "procedure" could call for a tolerance of +/- 0.050" on a 1 inch part or +/- 0,005 on that part, depending on how good you want the part to be. And as long as you follow that tolerance, as called out in your procedure, you're good, by ISO definition.
And with respect to ISO procedures, I, too, was an ISO auditor where I worked.
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Melting Slicks
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yup!! The "procedure" could call for a tolerance of +/- 0.050" on a 1 inch part or +/- 0,005 on that part, depending on how good you want the part to be. And as long as you follow that tolerance, as called out in your procedure, you're good, by iso definition.
And with respect to iso procedures, i, too, was an iso auditor where i worked.
And with respect to iso procedures, i, too, was an iso auditor where i worked.
exactly
Burning Brakes
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gang, I never said it was a guarantee, only that it improved your chances of finding a decent part. If they adhere to SOME standards, generally that is better than the companies with little to no QC.